From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b6520a76 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 13:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 19C88A1B0C; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:51:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32091A1A1D; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:51:15 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=sjmulder.nl header.i=@sjmulder.nl header.b=aGS0mFFa; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.b=PszmUTVU; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D61DFA19DE; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:51:12 +1000 (AEST) Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.25]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9CEDA19DD for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:51:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCDA351; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 09:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 08 Aug 2018 09:51:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sjmulder.nl; h= cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= mesmtp; bh=ts8uhsgc/eCXRA8VR7FDK2sKGf/8im/nBdrRcDBuOhk=; b=aGS0m FFaOUn5UQnZtRg0f0eHxtHpM37ADCZ8dVeDR7PBz7/2FLoVQrtEX2v5Yy9iaQIxd gEs/FolN/qVcWbC/F+Hag/7ROXncpcAEkuScIuGn5A961V+W6qq4lbmCfRySwVsM dw9/4G8h4W6HH3fZUBYENb8imJyUOwBf0UZVOg= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=ts8uhsgc/eCXRA8VR7FDK2sKGf/8i m/nBdrRcDBuOhk=; b=PszmUTVUvMnFELl9XJ3sn/5ieYV7v8GFgU+4Gdk65cD9V RntpPKgf7Zqo4+dFskJGFMrlrI3DLMVnYNxthz+C4Bg/OtDTNkMZ1G08/viNLQXV efgfXNBP1C1aCX/ea+gOB2+xPLhUCxujS3zPk8HgFW0lU2+3LuYhcNmgLSgmXejx QofDV/o+Hk9r25tuXG5o6/B5n7c/dMLg8xVOKV8uysiZ8Ol0JTo8G87OTSt4rFgY 8T5TE0XpvStTd+O1MxbzxaR2WtBMIgVeYM6F+MjNAONWHDyCYxMrpz+1L3janvFb 9hPNuapHlhbvjUVTaziW0hamTqhbe1uKspPqic6Fw== X-ME-Proxy: X-ME-Sender: Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:10.50.6.54] (unknown [87.213.224.178]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D7441E4636; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 09:51:06 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Hopkins From: "Sijmen J. Mulder" Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 15:51:07 +0200 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <6EBCF9E5-4600-42D6-9F83-3E2966140540@donhopkins.com> References: <20180808123229.86FD5E465F@mailuser.nyi.internal> <6EBCF9E5-4600-42D6-9F83-3E2966140540@donhopkins.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_C25AD062-0A74-492F-B284-68C405C22D70_" Message-Id: <20180808135106.D7441E4636@mailuser.nyi.internal> Subject: Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 33, Issue 7 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --_C25AD062-0A74-492F-B284-68C405C22D70_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > [...] totally overwhelms any aesthetic considerations of disliking > prompts taking up a line (or insisting on a clear line before it -- I > don=E2=80=99t understand why you would suggest such a straw man, which is= not > what I was advocating).=20 I totally understand what you're saying, but I hardly ever copy and paste between terminals so it's just not an issue to me and then my preference for a compact prompt and little whitespace prevails. I'll give you that the clear line thing is personal and won't necessarily apply to others. The "you'll want to" was misplaced. > At least the 300 baud modem gave you time to ponder over those few lines > before they scrolled off the screen. In that scenario, lines of text > were precious, although the HP terminals charge by characters, not > lines. But I don=E2=80=99t think anybody in their right mind uses termina= ls like > that any more.=20 They charged per character? That's fascinating. I'm too young to have worked with teletypes or terminals but to experience what working over a slower connection would be like I wrote a small pty program that throttles stdin and stdout to a given baud rate: https://github.com/sjmulder/trickle It's probably nothing like the real thing but I found it interesting to experience adapting to a slow terminal and to see things like pagers update the screen step by step. =20 --_C25AD062-0A74-492F-B284-68C405C22D70_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"

> [...] totally overwhelms any aest= hetic considerations of disliking

> p= rompts taking up a line (or insisting on a clear line before it -- I

> don=E2=80=99t understand why you would su= ggest such a straw man, which is not

>= ; what I was advocating).

 

I totally understand what you're saying, but I= hardly ever copy and

paste between term= inals so it's just not an issue to me and then

my preference for a compact prompt and little whitespace prevails.

 

I'll give you that the clear line thing is personal and won't

necessarily apply to others. The "you'll want t= o" was misplaced.

 =

> At least the 300 baud modem gave you time to = ponder over those few lines

> before = they scrolled off the screen. In that scenario, lines of text

> were precious, although the HP terminals charge = by characters, not

> lines. But I don= =E2=80=99t think anybody in their right mind uses terminals like=

> that any more.

 

They charged per character?= That's fascinating.

 

I'm too young to have worked with teletypes or termi= nals but to

experience what working over= a slower connection would be like I wrote

a small pty program that throttles stdin and stdout to a given baud=

rate:

 

https://github.com/sjmulder/trickle<= o:p>

 

It's probably nothing like the real thing but I found it interesting to

experience adapting to a slow terminal an= d to see things like pagers

update the s= creen step by step.=C2=A0

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