From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2116f57d for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 04:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4C6BEA1CB3; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:45:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5306EA19E3; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:44:59 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=thunk.org header.i=@thunk.org header.b=HBqXKClo; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 50400A19E3; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:44:56 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 2045 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:44:55 AEST Received: from imap.thunk.org (imap.thunk.org [74.207.234.97]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B593D9B5D7 for ; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:44:55 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thunk.org; s=ef5046eb; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=IB8KjZFjZTvIT2RDxe5eaJk4MUlkM6ZdyVuCYJqnUXg=; b=HBqXKClozGIM5wZW/u+s0DHISm UYRjbkQj94ZM0pZetjALs2gFODREKkIAVinrVPxWe32bKHcLPKkkx8GXzaP0nzSY3CiNeIZCl35jv 7w0tb9QoXjVegw+8WN0Ixhm/gcBTL6xqSV/Sf68Ws8P8w//S3fDKZ3AZjPHcS69jOKAs=; Received: from root (helo=callcc.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ftmO0-0006xB-61; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 04:10:48 +0000 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id CD7187A4B71; Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 00:10:46 -0400 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: Dave Horsfall Message-ID: <20180826041046.GA3176@thunk.org> References: <20180826003127.GA18905@minnie.tuhs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 12:47:45PM +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, Warren Toomey wrote: > > > Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenixh board of directors do not want > > to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix. > > What on earth are they smoking? Or is it something in the water? Reading between lines from Clem's message, I wonder if it is a money issue? Usenix has become very academic focused, and for better or for worse the Linux Foundation has provided many conference facilitation services for various industry initiatives that go beyond Linux (e.g., software defined networking, RISC-V, etc.) As a result Usenix might not have the resources that it did a decade or two ago. In another reality these industry initiatives might have been something that Usenix had gotten involved in, and which would have made it much more relevant to the industry. Unfortunately, I believe that there were many "old-time Usenix" folk who felt very threatened by Linux, and thought that it wasn't sufficiently academic, and didn't sufficiently acknowledge the debt that was owed to their elders. The question I would raise is whether some kind of 50th celebration has to be colocated with Usenix ATC, especially if the Usenix BoD is not innterested in lending much in the way of financial or staff support. For example, maybe something combined with some kind of fund-raising event held at the Compute History Museum in the Bay Area? Or perhaps the Linux Foundation might be willing to do a Unix 50th celebration at their 2019 Open Source Summit event? It does seem to me that Usenix ought to have the right of first refusal to host such a celebration, but if the Board isn't willing to step it up, there are other possibilities that could be explored. - Ted