From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 776538c5 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 03:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8FD29A1A74; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:23:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C53A1A20; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:23:19 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=thunk.org header.i=@thunk.org header.b=IqvXEj8T; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DAE59A1A20; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:23:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from imap.thunk.org (imap.thunk.org [74.207.234.97]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41E53A1A1F for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:23:15 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thunk.org; s=ef5046eb; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=iHzFxoglAErRhJBOI2GP+rp5Em7hbRVuffr4n39wwXk=; b=IqvXEj8TneO0Wv0LCXHJZwj6Kg 95Tj95y+Hlz+QcYoCUld73p1cr1wqeW2Rby9vzLg0FN8jrKs45/Q8/GG2WhF4UsTPjjGWDwYzAfRd pahXgbCkjstqkpls+mbRWmx7S6s1eFKvBjx2qfoJAltpFVCFjBXBsoQWr2b6C/Jx01wo=; Received: from root (helo=callcc.thunk.org) by imap.thunk.org with local-esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fur4a-00022x-02; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 03:23:12 +0000 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id A5C957A4B99; Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:23:10 -0400 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: Dave Horsfall Message-ID: <20180829032310.GF19128@thunk.org> References: <1535123616.1824656.1485063544.08BED1A8@webmail.messagingengine.com> <20180828003057.GA317@mcvoy.com> <201808280601.w7S61oLM030628@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on imap.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:06:05AM +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote: > > What really blew my gasket is that "stty -f" on *BSD is "stty -F" on > Penguin/OS, despite them copying every other flag. I'm pretty sure the addition of "stty -f" and "stty -F" is a fairly late innovation. i.e., it wasn't there when Linux "copied" stty's user interface. In BSD 4.3 and early Linux (which is when I still was maintaining Linux's serial driver) you always had to do: stty dec < /dev/ttyS0 Really, why did those young whippersnappers had to add an option, when redirection worked perfectly well and required one less character to type? :-) - Ted