From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d2884027 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 25FA3A1A6B; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:06:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1773BA1A1F; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:06:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 76D54A1A1F; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:06:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from www.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [208.86.226.86]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334A3A1A1D for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:06:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (lemis.com [192.109.197.81]) by www.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025C61B72837; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 05:06:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58634494B5; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:06:40 +1000 (AEST) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:06:40 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Message-ID: <20180829050640.GD5698@eureka.lemis.com> References: <20180828003057.GA317@mcvoy.com> <201808280601.w7S61oLM030628@freefriends.org> <20180829032310.GF19128@thunk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VV4b6MQE+OnNyhkM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180829032310.GF19128@thunk.org> Organization: LEMIS, 29 Stones Road, Dereel, VIC, Australia Phone: +61-3-5346-1370, +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: 0401 265 606. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --VV4b6MQE+OnNyhkM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 28 August 2018 at 23:23:10 -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:06:05AM +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote: >> >> What really blew my gasket is that "stty -f" on *BSD is "stty -F" on >> Penguin/OS, despite them copying every other flag. > > I'm pretty sure the addition of "stty -f" and "stty -F" is a fairly > late innovation. i.e., it wasn't there when Linux "copied" stty's > user interface. > > In BSD 4.3 and early Linux (which is when I still was maintaining > Linux's serial driver) you always had to do: > > stty dec < /dev/ttyS0 Checking mckusick's source distribution, it seems that the -f option (along with sanity) came in with 4.4BSD. It was in the original sources imported into FreeBSD. 4.3BSD had such a bizarre syntax that I suspect whatever you emulated must have come from a later date. But options are an issue, notably with GNU software, which has a completely different lineage. Just look at FreeBSD ls(1) and GNU ls(1). > Really, why did those young whippersnappers had to add an option, when > redirection worked perfectly well and required one less character to > type? :-) Creeping featurism! Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA --VV4b6MQE+OnNyhkM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAluGKeAACgkQIubykFB6QiO+TACgkxQFhEYelB7gvDLPX3Lyp0+6 2MIAnAnkI0PX7T4deaqgjB1ad40JeQtn =uYX4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VV4b6MQE+OnNyhkM--