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From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2?
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 15:58:01 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180830055801.GE5698@eureka.lemis.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W42uyyfMwa48WAF_iXsv-jtu0jD12U+7Rn=Zt8A8BM1KQ@mail.gmail.com> <20180829142548.GH19128@thunk.org>

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On Wednesday, 29 August 2018 at 10:41:02 -0400, Dan Cross wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:26 AM Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 03:06:40PM +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>>> In BSD 4.3 and early Linux (which is when I still was maintaining
>>>> Linux's serial driver) you always had to do:
>>>>
>>>>     stty dec < /dev/ttyS0
>>>
>>> Checking mckusick's source distribution, it seems that the -f option
>>> (along with sanity) came in with 4.4BSD.  It was in the original
>>> sources imported into FreeBSD.  4.3BSD had such a bizarre syntax that
>>> I suspect whatever you emulated must have come from a later date.
>>
>> BSD 4.4 Lite was released in 1994.  (Lite2 was released in 1995.)
>>
>> Linux was started in 1991, and we had a stty from very early on --- by
>> 1992 at the latest.

Right, which is why I wrote

  I suspect whatever you emulated must have come from a later date.

In case that wasn't clear, I meant a later date than 4.3BSD.

> I think that Greg is slightly mistaken; `stty` had `-f` documented
> in Net/2 (1991, though of course the entanglements there have been
> discussed), but the option existed in Reno (1990, though it seems to
> be absent from the man page).

No, this is exactly what I suspected, but was too lazy to check up on.
I don't have sources for Tahoe, Reno or Net/2 on my machine, but
FreeBSD 1.0 stty.c has:

  static char sccsid[] = "@(#)stty.c	5.28 (Berkeley) 6/5/91";

And it has the -f flag.  This was (just) before the very first version
of Linux.  My understanding is that FreeBSD 1.0 was primarily derived
from Net/2.  Of course, there's no reason to have chosen that version.

Greg
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-30  5:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-24 15:13 Seth Morabito
2018-08-24 15:23 ` William Cheswick
2018-08-24 16:06 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-24 16:46   ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-24 17:54     ` Jon Forrest
2018-08-26  2:22       ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-27 15:54   ` Mary Ann Horton
2018-08-27 17:06     ` Seth Morabito
2018-08-27 17:33     ` Clem Cole
2018-08-27 19:59       ` John P. Linderman
2018-08-27 20:27         ` Brad Spencer
2018-08-28  0:24       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-28  0:30         ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-28  6:01           ` arnold
2018-08-28  6:11             ` George Michaelson
2018-08-28  6:42               ` arnold
2018-08-28 13:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-08-28 22:39                 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  5:25                   ` arnold
2018-08-28 22:33             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  0:36               ` Harald Arnesen
2018-08-29  0:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29  5:29                   ` [TUHS] SunOS code? arnold
2018-08-29 14:40                     ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 14:41                       ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:44                         ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 14:46                           ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45                         ` Clem Cole
2018-08-29 14:43                     ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45                       ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 11:43                         ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 13:50                           ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 14:32                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-04  9:39                               ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 15:01                           ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 15:20                             ` Warner Losh
2018-09-01 18:24                               ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 18:38                                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 23:09                       ` David Arnold
2018-08-29  1:06                 ` [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  3:23                   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-29  4:36                     ` [TUHS] Cryptic Unix Commands Warren Toomey
2018-08-29 16:13                       ` Jeremy C. Reed
2018-08-29 22:03                       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 22:09                         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-29 22:21                           ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 23:04                             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-29 23:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30  3:59                               ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 22:31                         ` Dan Mick
2018-08-29 23:00                           ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-08-30  8:28                             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-30 11:06                         ` ron
2018-08-30 11:35                           ` John P. Linderman
2018-08-30 13:24                           ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 14:31                             ` William Pechter
2018-08-30 15:01                               ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 15:22                                 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 16:11                                   ` William Pechter
2018-08-29  5:06                     ` [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-08-29 14:25                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-29 14:41                         ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:50                           ` Chet Ramey
2018-08-29 14:59                             ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 15:08                               ` Chet Ramey
2018-08-29 17:14                           ` Arno Griffioen
2018-08-29 23:23                             ` Eric Wayte
2018-08-30  3:03                               ` Gregg Levine
2018-08-29 17:28                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-08-30  5:58                         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey [this message]
2018-08-30 13:14                           ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29  8:43                     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29  7:03                   ` Arrigo Triulzi
2018-08-28  1:14         ` Warren Toomey
2018-08-28 17:47         ` Paul Winalski
2018-08-26  8:48 ` arnold
2018-08-26 13:09 Norman Wilson

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