From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 37579df6 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 18:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 19192A1A92; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 04:11:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48623A1A29; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 04:11:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 28CC5A1A29; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 04:11:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from wopr.sciops.net (wopr.sciops.net [216.126.196.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 805EBA1A1D for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 04:11:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: (qmail 91978 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Sep 2018 11:11:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 11:11:33 -0700 From: Kurt H Maier To: =?iso-8859-1?B?Q+Fn?= Message-ID: <20180903181133.GB81368@wopr> References: <20180831215636.-eCEx%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> <20180903180401.u4MVs%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20180903180401.u4MVs%ca6c@bitmessage.ch> Subject: Re: [TUHS] cat -v and other complaints X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, Sep 03, 2018 at 01:04:01PM -0500, Cág wrote: > > On top of that I don't get how Acme adheres to the philosophy. It's > basically a reverse engineered, unavailable on the console, GNU Emacs > with a mouse-driven interface. > My pet theory is that Acme was going to replace Rio, at which time it would be 'the interface' again instead of a text editor with a slightly-incompatible filesystem interface. There are some hints toward this if you squint hard enough, but I can't prove it. "Unavailable on the console" is kind of a cheap shot when talking about an operating system that deliberately doesn't support consoles. Part of the point was outgrowing TTYs. The emacs comparison is a favorite of mine because it's so close to being an anagram, but obviously Acme never suffered from lisp fetishism. I still dislike Acme for basically all the same reasons I dislike emacs. khm