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From: Peter Jeremy <peter@rulingia.com>
To: Arthur Krewat <krewat@kilonet.net>
Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] SPARC is CRAPS spelled backwards.
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:20:00 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180926062000.GC29897@server.rulingia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f3766b0c-398b-2498-a9cd-fb089c7ed568@kilonet.net>

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On 2018-Sep-24 16:45:13 -0400, Arthur Krewat <krewat@kilonet.net> wrote:
>The 8086 was the first of the "x86" line, which was 16-bit, although 
>it's I/O was more 8080-ish if I recall correctly.

The 8086/8088 bus was designed to be similar to the 8085 to allow 8080/8085
peripherals to support 8086 systems.  This saved Intel the effort of
developing a new range of support peripherals and made it quicker for
vendors to build 8086 systems because they didn't need to wait for the
peripheral chips.  There are still 8080 support chips - 8253, 8257, 8259 -
embedded in PC Southbridge chips.

>The 8088 was an 8-bit 
>data bus, granted, but having done both 8080 and 8086+ assembler, you 
>couldn't really tell the difference, programming-wise between the 8086 
>and the 8088, 16-bit registers, and all.

This was deliberate - the 8080 was an upgraded 8008 and Intel made the 8086
similar enough to allow automated ASM translation.  It seems highly likely
that the undocumented 8085 opcodes were undocumented because they weren't
readily translatable to 8086.

>Cutting costs, as always, IBM opted for the 8088, which allowed them to 
>use an 8085-style I/O architecture.

An 8-bit memory bus means half as many RAM chips and buffers.  Keep in mind
that the IBM 5150 was intentionally crippled to ensure it didn't compete with
IBM's low-end minis.

-- 
Peter Jeremy

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-26  6:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.98.1535822297.3725.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-09-23 18:37 ` Don Hopkins
2018-09-23 19:49   ` A. P. Garcia
2018-09-23 21:17     ` Paul Winalski
2018-09-24 11:25       ` Tony Finch
2018-09-24 19:46       ` Peter Jeremy
2018-09-24 20:20         ` Paul Winalski
2018-09-24 20:45           ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-26  6:20             ` Peter Jeremy [this message]
2018-09-26  6:46               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-09-26 15:03                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-26 15:32                   ` Paul Winalski
2018-09-26 15:44               ` Henry Bent
     [not found]                 ` <ceae72ff-ca8b-4cc1-9666-82253c1e1683.maildroid@localhost>
2018-09-26 16:02                   ` [TUHS] Fwd: " William Pechter
2018-09-26 18:24                 ` [TUHS] " Donald ODona
2018-09-25 10:00         ` Tony Finch
2018-09-25 15:01           ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-25 19:48             ` Peter Jeremy
2018-09-25 18:34           ` Paul Winalski
2018-09-24 11:48 Noel Chiappa
2018-09-25 12:12 Noel Chiappa
2018-09-25 14:49 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-26 19:31   ` Derek Fawcus
2018-09-25 15:29 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-25 18:41 Noel Chiappa
2018-09-27  7:35 Paul Ruizendaal
2018-09-27  7:52 ` Arrigo Triulzi
2018-09-27 18:03 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2018-09-27 19:34 ` Nemo
2018-09-27 20:30 ` Dan Cross
2018-09-27 20:51   ` Cág
2018-09-27 21:01     ` Henry Bent
2018-09-27 21:04       ` Cág
2018-09-27 21:07 Norman Wilson
2018-09-28 12:08 Nelson H. F. Beebe

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