From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 41f8ecb1 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4F383A21AB; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:57:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA98A2150; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:56:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 67BE794BB2; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:34:38 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 316 seconds by postgrey-1.35 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:34:37 AEST Received: from outgoing-01.securemail.name (outgoing-01.securemail.name [212.114.60.7]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA30594113 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 08:34:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from relay-01.securemail.name (unknown [10.254.0.1]) by outgoing-01.securemail.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42hdvg4z6RznWkm for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:29:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from m00000000000001.securemail.name (m00000000000001 [IPv6:fd00::fffa:0:0:1]) by relay-01.securemail.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42hdvg4RTYznWkR for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:29:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.securemail.name ([IPv6:fd00::ffff:0:0:1]) by m00000000000001.securemail.name (m00000000000001.securemail.name [IPv6:fd00::fff7:0:0:1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id AFZjmzs-qAz4 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:29:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from papnet.eu (x55b67e5c.dyn.telefonica.de [85.182.126.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.securemail.name (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42hdvT5ZW9znWjq for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:29:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by papnet.eu (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:29:09 +0200 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 00:29:09 +0200 From: Angelo Papenhoff To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Message-ID: <20181026222909.GA24093@indra.papnet.eu> References: <20181026194636.GA11870@indra.papnet.eu> <20181026214308.GA20796@minnie.tuhs.org> <20181026221153.GA19920@indra.papnet.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20181026221153.GA19920@indra.papnet.eu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Reconstructed and newly set UNIX Manual X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" [this was meant to go over the list, Warren quoted it, but it destroyed the formatting somewhat] On 27/10/18, Warren Toomey wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 09:46:36PM +0200, Angelo Papenhoff wrote: > > And most importantly: is the old troff really lost? > > Angelo, I just trawled through the Unix Archive. Below is a list > of tarballs with roff stuff in them. Hope this helps. Sorry that > they are not in date order. > Cheers, Warren Unfortunately that does not include the old troff written in PDP-11 assembly. The v6 tape and file system contain traces of it in the directory /usr/source/s7, so we at least know (some of) the file names: │002655f0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | | │00265600 6d 01 72 6f 66 66 33 2e-73 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |m?roff3.s | │00265610 6c 01 72 6f 66 66 34 2e-73 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |l?roff4.s | │00265620 6b 01 72 6f 66 66 35 2e-73 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |k?roff5.s | │00265630 6a 01 72 6f 66 66 37 2e-73 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |j?roff7.s | │00265640 69 01 72 6f 66 66 38 2e-73 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |i?roff8.s | │00265650 00 00 73 75 66 72 63 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | sufrc | │00265660 67 01 73 75 66 74 61 62-2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 |g?suftab.s | │00265670 00 00 74 63 61 74 73 69-6d 2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 | tcatsim.s | │00265680 00 00 74 72 63 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | trc | │00265690 00 00 74 72 6f 66 66 31-2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 | troff1.s | │002656a0 00 00 74 72 6f 66 66 32-2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 | troff2.s | │002656b0 00 00 74 72 6f 66 66 33-2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 | troff3.s | │002656c0 00 00 74 72 6f 66 66 34-2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 | troff4.s | │002656d0 00 00 74 72 6f 66 66 35-2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 | troff5.s | │002656e0 00 00 74 72 6f 66 66 36-2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 | troff6.s | │002656f0 00 00 74 72 6f 66 66 36-61 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | troff6a | │00265700 00 00 74 72 6f 66 66 38-2e 73 00 00 00 00 00 00 | troff8.s | │00265710 00 00 78 78 78 78 78 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | xxxxx | │00265720 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | | Now it could be that v7 troff is perfectly capable of generating the manual just like older troff would have, I just haven't dived more deeply into it all yet. I was more concerned about reconstructing the actual content rather than the exact looks for now, but it's still something i want to get right eventually. This didn't go through the list but I'll reply here: On 26/10/18, Ken Thompson wrote: > nice job. Thanks, You've always been an inspiration to me! aap