On Monday, 29 October 2018 at 11:34:50 -0400, John Labovitz wrote: > On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Clem Cole wrote: Ah, damn, you got there first. Thanks for the zdump reference. >> I >>think<< it is more likely 06:30 UTC, as IIRC Daylight Saving >> Time finished mid-month so I think it would have been UTC+8:00 [not >> +7:00 which it would be now]. That said, Nixon [...shutter...] was >> in office and he put the US went on DST in the winter at some point >> due to the oil crisis (but I thought that was a year or so later). >> I remember it all happening at the time - but I can do not put >> precise dates on any of it. > > According to tzdata... > > $ zdump -v America/Los_Angeles | grep 1969 > America/Los_Angeles Sun Apr 27 09:59:59 1969 UTC = Sun Apr 27 01:59:59 1969 PST isdst=0 > America/Los_Angeles Sun Apr 27 10:00:00 1969 UTC = Sun Apr 27 03:00:00 1969 PDT isdst=1 > America/Los_Angeles Sun Oct 26 08:59:59 1969 UTC = Sun Oct 26 01:59:59 1969 PDT isdst=1 > America/Los_Angeles Sun Oct 26 09:00:00 1969 UTC = Sun Oct 26 01:00:00 1969 PST isdst=0 > > ...it appears that DST was *not* in effect on October 30, 1969. > >> A caveat: tzdata???s docs warn that dates before 1970 may not be >> accurate. But because I???m fascinated by the cultural history >> embedded within that database, I downloaded the latest tzdata files >> to check. The relevant rules are in the ???northamerica??? file: > # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER > Rule CA 1948 only - Mar 14 2:01 1:00 D > Rule CA 1949 only - Jan 1 2:00 0 S > Rule CA 1950 1966 - Apr lastSun 1:00 1:00 D > Rule CA 1950 1961 - Sep lastSun 2:00 0 S > Rule CA 1962 1966 - Oct lastSun 2:00 0 S > Zone America/Los_Angeles -7:52:58 - LMT 1883 Nov 18 12:07:02 > -8:00 US P%sT 1946 > -8:00 CA P%sT 1967 > -8:00 US P%sT Yes, but the key here is the US in the last line. That refers to the rules further up (US) that I referred to. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA