From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1ccc632a for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 07:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7AD06A1B10; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:21:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E514A1AFC; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:20:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B0334A1AFD; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:20:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.bitblocks.com (ns1.bitblocks.com [173.228.5.8]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B750A1AFC for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 17:20:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from bitblocks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bitblocks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EE4156E40C; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 23:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bakul Shah To: Warner Losh In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Nov 2018 00:05:08 -0700." References: <201811160003.wAG03mlF139232@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <20181116045016.GK3341@mcvoy.com> <7a632484-cdc7-7c59-7077-7a2c752045da@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <4c36b2b2-76df-435f-27bc-e1feb0647f36@case.edu> <201811162113.wAGLDGiQ031455@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Comments: In-reply-to Warner Losh message dated "Mon, 19 Nov 2018 00:05:08 -0700." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <79240.1542612012.1@bitblocks.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 23:20:12 -0800 Message-Id: <20181119072022.E3EE4156E40C@mail.bitblocks.com> Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 00:05:08 -0700 Warner Losh wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:40 PM Jon Steinhart wrote: > > > Emacs sort of > > violates my UNIX-sense as it does many things instead of doing one thing > > well. This is only half the story. Unix also provides a way to assemble these tools to carry out a specific task. > I'd argue that's not a bad thing. When people tried to add macros to make > or sendmail, you wound up with crazy like imake or the crazy sendfile.m4 > stuff. Of course, sendmail and one thing aren't mates, but sometimes you > need to do a few, well chosen things well to avoid the crazy that trying to > misuse something will bring to the table. The problem was sendmail didn't have a decent builtin glue language to customize it. More generally, you can't just provide domain specific objects, you have to provide a domain specific algebra as well, so to speak. And you don't have to provide domain specific syntax.