From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 76636b37 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1D708A1B1A; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:49:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AD9A1AFD; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:48:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4008DA1AFD; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:48:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E934CA1AFC for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 02:48:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id wAJGmrqr005250 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 08:48:53 -0800 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id wAJGmqGd005247 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 08:48:53 -0800 Message-Id: <201811191648.wAJGmqGd005247@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-reply-to: References: <201811160003.wAG03mlF139232@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <20181116045016.GK3341@mcvoy.com> <7a632484-cdc7-7c59-7077-7a2c752045da@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <4c36b2b2-76df-435f-27bc-e1feb0647f36@case.edu> <201811162113.wAGLDGiQ031455@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Comments: In-reply-to Warner Losh message dated "Mon, 19 Nov 2018 00:05:08 -0700." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5245.1542646132.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 08:48:52 -0800 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Warner Losh writes: > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 2:40 PM Jon Steinhart wrote: > > > Emacs sort of > > violates my UNIX-sense as it does many things instead of doing one thing > > well. > > > I'd argue that's not a bad thing. When people tried to add macros to make > or sendmail, you wound up with crazy like imake or the crazy sendfile.m4 > stuff. Of course, sendmail and one thing aren't mates, but sometimes you > need to do a few, well chosen things well to avoid the crazy that trying to > misuse something will bring to the table. > > Warner Funny that you bring this up as I was just talking to Eric about this. I was telling him that someone had recently asked me why sendmail was so complicated, and I explained to them that it was because email wasn't always like it is today; that there were many disparate email systems and sendmail glued them all together. Eric said something like yeah, and I would have liked to have a better syntax but memory was too constrained at the time to let me do anything better.