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[24.171.184.100]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w77sm2962087ywa.9.2018.11.27.17.26.53 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:26:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 20:26:51 -0500 From: "G. Branden Robinson" To: Eric Allman Message-ID: <20181128012650.vfd26xlimeoa4cqc@crack.deadbeast.net> References: <4c36b2b2-76df-435f-27bc-e1feb0647f36@case.edu> <201811162113.wAGLDGiQ031455@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <201811190311.wAJ3BDHR028154@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <6a179556-322c-8ba5-b957-5ae7a03ec610@neophilic.com> <20181128003638.6jwx6fs4zxwzaote@crack.deadbeast.net> <5684e5c4-f8ad-0b32-20f1-b4375733f2d2@neophilic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="svuuojfqgsgrobqh" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5684e5c4-f8ad-0b32-20f1-b4375733f2d2@neophilic.com> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --svuuojfqgsgrobqh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline At 2018-11-27T16:57:43-0800, Eric Allman wrote: > > It is not known for certain what the \(lqe\(rq in \(lqme\(rq stands for, > > but one can infer a derivation from the first initial of Eric P.\& > > Allman (then of the University of California), who wrote the original > > technical papers documenting the package. [...] > That's basically correct, but there is a back story. When I started > writing the -me macros it began as something in my private tree (I don't > remember what I called it). Then some other folks on the INGRES project > wanted to use it, but our system admin at the time didn't want to dicker > with the system namespace at the behest of a mere undergraduate, so he > didn't like anything that was actually descriptive lest people think it > was "official". He finally consented to "-meric" (which I always > hated), since it was obviously non-official. By the time my macros > became popular around Berkeley it got shortened to "-me", much to my relief. The shortening also prevented associations with an ignominious character in an episode of the original _Star Trek_[1], which would surely have been especially bad marketing in the geek culture of the time. > Of course, if AT&T had been willing to let Berkeley have -ms then most > likely -me would never have happened at all. Without a macro package, > nroff/troff is basically unusable; -me stepped into the vacuum. I'm thinking it was an even larger example of silly cussedness because by then, weren't the mm macros considered the new hotness at AT&T? > Amusingly enough, one of the most popular features of -me was ".th" > mode, which set all the parameters to match the official constraints for > a U.C. Berkeley Ph.D. thesis. It was guaranteed to get past the "dragon > lady" who would reject the thesis if the margins were wrong. It takes a computer to beat a computer. :) Thank you! I'll update the man page. We seem to be finally be on the precipice of a groff 1.22.4 release (knock touchpad). 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