From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2c68dc65 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C763CA1F03; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 05:28:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCA9A1F02; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 05:28:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8B8D6A1F02; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 05:28:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51059A1F00 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 05:28:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id F0BA535E0F0; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:28:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:28:35 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Grant Taylor Message-ID: <20181129192835.GE18414@mcvoy.com> References: <4c36b2b2-76df-435f-27bc-e1feb0647f36@case.edu> <201811162113.wAGLDGiQ031455@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <201811191648.wAJGmqGd005247@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20181129184845.GB18414@mcvoy.com> <76bb3c3a-7717-caf8-c8ac-8afea3bf5bc4@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <76bb3c3a-7717-caf8-c8ac-8afea3bf5bc4@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 12:13:53PM -0700, Grant Taylor via TUHS wrote: > On 11/29/2018 11:48 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: > >Indeed. Sendmail got a lot of hate but mostly from people in pure > >user@host.domain worlds. > > Do you have any idea why the user@host.domain community hated on Sendmail > more than other communities? I can't back this up with a citation but my belief is that was just that everything worked for them, it was a simple system, you could write an SMTP server in a tiny perl script, so why all the complexity? If you live in a simple world you see things as being simple. Sendmail was not living in a simple world. > >I lived in the UUCP / BitNet / Arpanet world and while sendmail was > >definitely not the easiest thing to configure, once you got it right it > >just kept working (unlike UUCP that seemed to need constant babysitting). > > I think that's still fair to say. > > Though simple Sendmail configurations are relatively easy to set up. Yeah, it's been easy since whoever did the macros so you picked a config close to yours, changed a couple of host names and off you go. It's surprisingly similar to troff. Writing docs in raw troff is doable, I've done it a bunch of times, but it's more pleasant with a macro package (I'm a fan of -ms, tried the others, just keep coming back to -ms because it hits the sweet spot of enough stuff without being overly complicated).