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From: "Michael Kjörling" <michael@kjorling.se>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 22:39:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190203223924.4i735ix4z3a7mi24@h-174-65.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1902040849060.64931@aneurin.horsfall.org>

On 4 Feb 2019 09:07 +1100, from dave@horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall):
> My vague (and rough) recollection is CP/M -> DOS -> Windows.

CP/M is (was?) to MS-DOS roughly as UNIX is to Linux (the overall
system, not referring to just the kernel); a source of inspiration,
but not a direct ancestor. Then let's not get into the Windows / OS/2
/ Windows NT confusion, product line splits/merges and rebranding.
IIRC, at least until Windows 3.0 (1990), and possibly until Windows 95
when Microsoft did their best to hide the troubled history, Windows
applications were _expected_ to ultimately rely on the old-style
MS-DOS API for basic operating system services like file management,
and could choose to (or were expected to) call those APIs directly
instead of going through the Windows API. For a long time, Windows was
just a fancy (some would almost certainly say overrated) graphical
shell.

I, too, would like to see some reference or at least justification for
the claim that Microsoft would not have created Windows had it not
been for Unix. As I recall, Visi On did use some Unix as its
development platform; and Microsoft Windows was created in response to
Visi On; but that's the only obvious causal connection between Unix
and Windows that I can see, and it's a tenuous one at best.

-- 
Michael Kjörling • https://michael.kjorling.se • michael@kjorling.se
  “The most dangerous thought that you can have as a creative person
              is to think you know what you’re doing.” (Bret Victor)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-02-03 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-03 20:23 Dave Horsfall
2019-02-03 21:39 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2019-02-03 22:07   ` Dave Horsfall
2019-02-03 22:33     ` Clem Cole
2019-02-04  2:03       ` Paul Winalski
2019-02-04  3:57       ` Jason Stevens
2019-02-04  6:25         ` Peter Jeremy
2019-02-04  7:59           ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-04 15:04             ` Dave Horsfall
2019-02-04 15:39             ` Toby Thain
2019-02-04 17:08         ` Al Kossow
2019-02-03 22:39     ` Michael Kjörling [this message]
2019-02-03 22:55     ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-03 23:37       ` Andy Kosela
2019-02-04  0:32     ` Larry McVoy
2019-02-04  1:00       ` Steve Nickolas
2019-02-04  9:43 ` Donald ODona
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-02-04 23:42 Doug McIlroy
2019-02-05  3:49 ` Larry McVoy
2019-02-04  1:09 [TUHS] Happy Birthday " Doug McIlroy
2018-02-03 21:46 [TUHS] Happy birthday, " Norman Wilson
2018-02-03 20:57 Dave Horsfall
2018-02-03 21:12 ` Donald ODona
2018-02-03 21:59   ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-04  0:52     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04  1:07       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
     [not found]         ` <CAM4FNSvnR+ZkgMyJ-0+p7LKKAYzts-7268RgApteLoT9q=TtYA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <CAM4FNSu-eQkt=AeUJ=2uvEwN=BQe7qdWn6ZCQmfFjb9at6uf_w@mail.gmail.com>
2018-02-04  1:29             ` Daniel Camolês
2018-02-04  1:35               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-04  1:14       ` Warner Losh
2018-02-04 13:59         ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-02-05 13:13     ` Tony Finch
2018-02-05 15:45       ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-05 16:19         ` Clem Cole
2018-02-05 17:41           ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-05 21:58       ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-05 22:47         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 22:52           ` Toby Thain
2018-02-05 22:54           ` Dan Cross
2018-02-06  4:58             ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-02-06  5:05               ` Gregg Levine
2018-02-03 21:35 ` Will Senn
2018-02-03 21:49   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-03 22:59     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04  0:51       ` Steve Simon
     [not found]         ` <CAM4FNStCAj-iFfg_DxyhkZMQu3dTx_4SeSsimALb3e1ktav2KQ@mail.gmail.com>
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2018-02-04  1:51                           ` Daniel Camolês
2018-02-04 17:33                             ` Toby Thain
2017-02-03 20:00 Dave Horsfall
2017-02-04 12:38 ` Michael Kjörling
2017-02-04 12:44   ` Steve Nickolas
2017-02-04 13:15     ` Michael Kjörling
2016-02-03 17:38 Dave Horsfall

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