From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id a44ef461 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 00:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5E0389B89D; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:32:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9E69B894; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:32:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8C0DE9B892; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:32:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FAAF9B891 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:32:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 5491635E130; Sun, 3 Feb 2019 16:32:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 16:32:24 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Dave Horsfall Message-ID: <20190204003224.GQ6420@mcvoy.com> References: <20190203213907.GA6142@eureka.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Ken Thompson! X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 09:07:52AM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2019, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > >Without Unix, Microsoft would not have created Microsoft "Windows". > > I'd like to see some evidence for that; without Unix, what would we be > running now? I doubt whether it would've been Linux, there being no > inspiration for it... > > My vague (and rough) recollection is CP/M -> DOS -> Windows. Yep. > >Even it has roots in Unix. > > Only inasmuch as it has directories, users, and permissions (which any > semi-decent OS would have anyway)... Admittedly I have never compromised my > integrity by using/programming it, so I am willing to be corrected. > > And yes, I know about POSIX compatibility, but so is Linux, and it's > different enough from Unix to be damned annoying. It's what you are used to. I haven't tried it but apparently Microsoft has implemented the Linux syscall layer that you can just drop a distro on top of windows and the binaries work.