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From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa)
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Cc: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu
Subject: Re: [TUHS] OSI stack (Was: Posters)
Date: Wed,  6 Feb 2019 12:49:13 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190206174913.E518318C07B@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> (raw)

    > On Wed, Feb 06, 2019 at 10:16:24AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:

    > In many ways, it was a classic second system effect because they were
    > trying to fix everything they thought was wrong with TCP/IP at the time

I'm not sure this part is accurate: the two efforts were contemporaneous; and
my impression was they were trying to design the next step in networking, based
on _their own_ analysis of what was needed.

    > without really, truly knowing the differences between actual problems
    > and mere annoyances and how to properly weight the severity of the issue
    > in coming up with their solutions.

This is I think true, but then again, TCP/IP fell into some of those holes
too: fragmentation for one (although the issue there was unforseen problems in
doing it, not so much in it not being a real issue), all the 'unused' fields
in the IP and TCP headers for things that never got really got
used/implemented (Type of Service, Urgent, etc).

`	 Noel

             reply	other threads:[~2019-02-06 17:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-06 17:49 Noel Chiappa [this message]
2019-02-06 18:22 ` Paul Winalski
2019-02-06 20:47 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-02-07 18:07   ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2019-02-07 18:22     ` Andy Kosela
2019-02-07 18:33       ` [TUHS] [COFF] " Dan Cross
2019-02-07 18:50     ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-02-07 19:04 Noel Chiappa
2019-02-07  1:03 Noel Chiappa
2019-02-07  0:45 Noel Chiappa
2019-02-07  0:02 Noel Chiappa
2019-02-07  0:11 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-02-06 23:18 Noel Chiappa
2019-02-06 23:40 ` Kevin Bowling
2019-02-06 23:52   ` Larry McVoy
2019-02-07  0:04     ` Kevin Bowling
2019-02-04 20:29 Noel Chiappa
2019-02-04 21:13 ` Bakul Shah
2019-02-04 21:34   ` Clem Cole
2019-02-05 18:01 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2019-02-03 18:49 Norman Wilson
2019-02-03 15:02 Noel Chiappa
2019-02-03 16:51 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
     [not found] ` <CANCZdfq5PM9jFEi9=geC+CTnveXs5CprN7b+ku+s+FYzw1yQBw@mail.gmail.com>
2019-02-06 17:16   ` Warner Losh
2019-02-06 17:23     ` Larry McVoy
2019-02-06 23:37     ` George Michaelson

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