From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 416bb48f for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 09:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7E79F93D4D; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:16:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2410C93D4B; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:16:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3EF0993D4B; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:16:27 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 2081 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:16:26 AEST Received: from vtr.rulingia.com (vtr.rulingia.com [45.77.232.82]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59A2193D4A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:16:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from server.rulingia.com (ppp59-167-167-3.static.internode.on.net [59.167.167.3]) by vtr.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x2D8fEq5017293 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:41:20 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.rulingia.com (localhost.rulingia.com [127.0.0.1]) by server.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x2D8f8ZR006613 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:41:08 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter@server.rulingia.com) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x2D8f8Zu006612; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:41:08 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:41:08 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Dave Horsfall Message-ID: <20190313084108.GF87064@server.rulingia.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.1 (2018-12-01) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Bell Labs data center in 1969/70. X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-Mar-13 12:37:47 +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: >On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Clem Cole wrote: >> the bugs build.=A0 FWIW:=A0 I can not tell which model 360 it is.=A0 I t= hink=20 >> its a 65 or 67.=A0 It's not a 91 nor a 40 or 50.=A0 =2E.. >And no, it doesn't look like a /50 console to me. Well, the model number should be visible in http://www.larryluckham.com/1969%20&%2070%20-%20Bell%20Labs/album/slides/Be= ll_Labs__0003.html but it's too blurred for me to make it out (even knowing that the first 2 digits are "20", I can't make them out). I've looked through both the IBM history pages and the WP pages and I'm reasonably confident it's a /50. Compare the above photo with https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/IBM_system_360-50= _console_-_MfK_Bern.jpg/450px-IBM_system_360-50_console_-_MfK_Bern.jpg or https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_2423PH2050.= html It's definitely not a /65 based on the leftmost subpanel - see https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_2423PH2065C.ht= ml The only /67 photos I can find show a similarly blank subpanel. The other S360 models all had radically different front panels (much lower on the low-end models and much wider on the high-end models). --=20 Peter Jeremy --IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE7rKYbDBnHnTmXCJ+FqWXoOSiCzQFAlyIwiRfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEVF QjI5ODZDMzA2NzFFNzRFNjVDMjI3RTE2QTU5N0EwRTRBMjBCMzQACgkQFqWXoOSi CzSkBBAAmiMqSIckbVo+Ng/ZSLOTJkSL6wJdy5CuLZJXgvnBUTmqIEGW8Bp+ZoRH vwQ40AtG+L8XqyehOcrCSEVXq9wKZVYHXmJXvOFYhA3UKyCWRBnKCLc0HvAWbsZ8 s3B+idVn8Gffb6PH7W7k5OpKaO4F1OoVUFSn8JNOvDFj5zj5kap7Hr3gUXbN38mL RxJLIEKwAKYgdc39ifpcn3KP3Nq5qXuXve8U2reKLc+Nn5FPhBjCQ2fLm+/0XIzG e+M3+mhCDGM4LB98DDHnYAxdxywkJIi9qRmBe8GeEOx3cn2mu5//1ZaU0bAc650B X2PKs9szbgj4hFcYmjOx4EWTlEmoBjlwtPV3xYzH9Oh5Ya6jCdTyPAwgUtTuGW5m 0IwwKXVSZTchqLy2TkcL4G5ld85RktL/j9rEATbKRrT8grvIDF7dicsSqaD2CW5W PldJcnZLDLM21TxpH2FyukE2U8qLWDWzCEaHXIWHbP8MY//V5qcFonAB7yNHmDWV CeBGxeHxmpf6Qqr2OjKaoQ1m3WjJ//9h2TlIYa7yfXI9qzcGnnhz5uKzc88y5YjD wXOkfiCD2yk0vqiswNd1nuqRf2sFzsO+8HnqBL343a0NYMFz4FBfebob/CdV9RUc 27aG0I7Psbkdu3bSG5oXJnN/IxH/loyEux4xadh1620il/+PhqE= =kTif -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IiVenqGWf+H9Y6IX--