From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d60ec393 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 10:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8CDDE9BCE8; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 20:48:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F619BC42; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 20:48:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B51F09BC42; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 20:48:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 983649BC35 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 20:48:40 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x7SAma7M009629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 28 Aug 2019 04:48:37 -0600 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id x7SAmXr7009628; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 04:48:33 -0600 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <201908281048.x7SAmXr7009628@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 04:48:33 -0600 To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org, michael@kjorling.se References: <13c5c36e-c84d-e020-d09e-51c8c502dc6d@kilonet.net> <20190828095059.GA10799@h-178-80.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> In-Reply-To: <20190828095059.GA10799@h-178-80.A328.priv.bahnhof.se> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] If not Linux, then what? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Michael Kjörling wrote: > On another note, and to get back to the original question, I'm a > little surprised that nobody here seems to have mentioned something > like an outgrowth of Minix. Hoo boy. You can thank Andy Tannenbaum that we have Linux in the first place (almost). Linus used Minix as his development environment and early versions supported the Minix filesystem. I can't cite sources, but as I remember it, at the time (AT&T law suit) a number of people turned to Tannenbaum to get him to open source Minix and let people make it a "real" OS (VM, 386 support, etc.). He wasn't interested. He only cared about teaching and he wanted to maintain control over it. (Eventually it grew anyway, but only long after.) If he'd been more open, things might have indeed gone that way. This brings up that there were other maybe viable candidates in the research world: Sprite at UCB and Tannenbaum's Ameoba. But it seems that those were mainly vehicles to get papers published and didn't spread beyond their home universities. At some point I got a CD with all the Sprite sources. Maybe I can find that and get it to Warren. Arnold