From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 80b1e3a2 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 16:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 996F79BFD6; Fri, 30 Aug 2019 02:25:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2615B9BF72; Fri, 30 Aug 2019 02:25:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 91A6D9BF72; Fri, 30 Aug 2019 02:25:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 143089BF4D for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2019 02:25:41 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x7TGPR7u030860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:25:28 -0600 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id x7TGPPG8030855; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:25:25 -0600 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <201908291625.x7TGPPG8030855@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:25:25 -0600 To: lm@mcvoy.com, jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com, chet.ramey@case.edu References: <201908281841.x7SIfQS7053036@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <201908281849.x7SInUE1024803@freefriends.org> <93732314-1521-3118-47c0-5b973b7b926e@case.edu> <20190828190534.GH13570@mcvoy.com> <02ae25cb-d3c4-477b-849d-3809070a343d@PU1APC01FT114.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <02ae25cb-d3c4-477b-849d-3809070a343d@PU1APC01FT114.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] dmr streams & networking [was: Re: If not Linux, then what?] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org, doug@cs.dartmouth.edu Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Let's get it straight. I think Kirk McKusick did the FFS. VM was done by Somebody Babaglu (a greek? name - I know I'm not remembering it correctly.) I guess Joy did sockets, but I don't know. I do know that he did the csh and ex/vi. I gather he was also in the kernel, but it wasn't all him. BSD was not a one man show. Arnold Jason Stevens wrote: > Yeah sockets, FFS, VM, autoconfiguration. It almost seems a shame he > went to SUN. Although at the same time it’s no wonder why they grabbed > him ASAP. I guess it’s like Avie working for NeXT. > > From: Larry McVoy > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:06 AM > To: Chet Ramey > Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org; doug@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: Re: [TUHS] dmr streams & networking [was: Re: If not Linux,then what?] > > On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 03:03:34PM -0400, Chet Ramey wrote: > > On 8/28/19 2:49 PM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > > >> Sorry, what I said about London/Reiser is true, but not the whole > > >> story. L/R didn't have demand paging; BSD did. > > > > > > But my question still stands. Why didn't Research keep going from L/R > > > and add demand paging? Wouldn't that have been "cleaner" than starting > > > from BSD? > > > > It's my impression that BSD had done other work that Research didn't want > > to duplicate, like autoconfiguration, device support, and so on. Joy got > > a lot out of the VAX hardware. > > He was a coding machine back then. Quite the legacy. >