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* Re: [TUHS] Running v10
@ 2019-08-30 19:50 Norman Wilson
  2019-08-30 20:10 ` Angelo Papenhoff
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Norman Wilson @ 2019-08-30 19:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

  Check out "Setting Up a Research UNIX System" by Norman Wilson. troff
  sources are in v10.

====

But that assumes you're being given a root image to copy
to the disk initially, no?  We never made a general-purpose
distribution tape; we just made one-off snapshots when someone
wanted a copy of the system in the 10/e era.

Is there a binary root image in Warren's archive?  I forget.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
(where the weather feels like NJ these days, dammit)

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* Re: [TUHS] Running v10
  2019-08-30 19:50 [TUHS] Running v10 Norman Wilson
@ 2019-08-30 20:10 ` Angelo Papenhoff
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Papenhoff @ 2019-08-30 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On 30/08/19, Norman Wilson wrote:
>   Check out "Setting Up a Research UNIX System" by Norman Wilson. troff
>   sources are in v10.
> 
> ====
> 
> But that assumes you're being given a root image to copy
> to the disk initially, no?  We never made a general-purpose
> distribution tape; we just made one-off snapshots when someone
> wanted a copy of the system in the 10/e era.
> 
> Is there a binary root image in Warren's archive?  I forget.

No we don't. Our hope would be to compile things from source and
bootstrap it from v8. I don't know the state of v9, I've seen it
emulated on a sun but if this helps with bootstrapping v10...
We also have sources for Doug's IX in history/ix...maybe that helps too
in some ways.
Or maybe someone who still has v10 running can help out.
I'd really like to see it running, wouldn't it be fitting for the 50th
anniversary?

aap

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* Re: [TUHS] Running v10
  2019-08-28  7:34                 ` Angelo Papenhoff
@ 2019-08-28 16:46                   ` Henry Bent
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Henry Bent @ 2019-08-28 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Angelo Papenhoff; +Cc: TUHS main list

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On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 03:41, Angelo Papenhoff <aap@papnet.eu> wrote:

> On 28/08/19, Jason Stevens wrote:
> > I don’t recall their being detailed installation instructions like
> v8/v9.  I never noticed the vax boot stuff as it was buried in the tree.
> It’s possible that it’s buildable.  Or it could be incomplete like the Mach
> 2.5 VAX missing system headers….
> >
> > I guess it’s worth trying on whatever should be the parallel BSD system
> if it’s like v8/v9 which needed a BSD machine to bootstrap.
>
> Check out "Setting Up a Research UNIX System" by Norman Wilson. troff
> sources are in v10.
>

Thanks, I hadn't found that yet.  Unfortunately it assumes that you have a
tape with at least a root and /usr dump, which we do not have.

I have several ideas about how one might go about building the tree using
existing distributions but any further discussion probably isn't
appropriate for this list.  If anyone would like to collaborate please feel
free to contact me off-list.

-Henry

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 at 03:41, Angelo Papenhoff &lt;<a href="mailto:aap@papnet.eu">aap@papnet.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 28/08/19, Jason Stevens wrote:<br>
&gt; I don’t recall their being detailed installation instructions like v8/v9.  I never noticed the vax boot stuff as it was buried in the tree.  It’s possible that it’s buildable.  Or it could be incomplete like the Mach 2.5 VAX missing system headers….<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I guess it’s worth trying on whatever should be the parallel BSD system if it’s like v8/v9 which needed a BSD machine to bootstrap.<br>
<br>
Check out &quot;Setting Up a Research UNIX System&quot; by Norman Wilson. troff<br>
sources are in v10.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks, I hadn&#39;t found that yet.  Unfortunately it assumes that you have a tape with at least a root and /usr dump, which we do not have.</div><div><br></div><div>I have several ideas about how one might go about building the tree using existing distributions but any further discussion probably isn&#39;t appropriate for this list.  If anyone would like to collaborate please feel free to contact me off-list.</div><div><br></div><div>-Henry<br></div></div></div>

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* Re: [TUHS] Running v10
  2019-08-28  4:22               ` Jason Stevens
@ 2019-08-28  7:34                 ` Angelo Papenhoff
  2019-08-28 16:46                   ` Henry Bent
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Papenhoff @ 2019-08-28  7:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: TUHS main list

On 28/08/19, Jason Stevens wrote:
> I don’t recall their being detailed installation instructions like v8/v9.  I never noticed the vax boot stuff as it was buried in the tree.  It’s possible that it’s buildable.  Or it could be incomplete like the Mach 2.5 VAX missing system headers….
> 
> I guess it’s worth trying on whatever should be the parallel BSD system if it’s like v8/v9 which needed a BSD machine to bootstrap.

Check out "Setting Up a Research UNIX System" by Norman Wilson. troff
sources are in v10.


aap

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* Re: [TUHS] Running v10
  2019-08-27 16:27             ` Henry Bent
@ 2019-08-28  4:22               ` Jason Stevens
  2019-08-28  7:34                 ` Angelo Papenhoff
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Jason Stevens @ 2019-08-28  4:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Henry Bent, Angelo Papenhoff; +Cc: TUHS main list

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I don’t recall their being detailed installation instructions like v8/v9.  I never noticed the vax boot stuff as it was buried in the tree.  It’s possible that it’s buildable.  Or it could be incomplete like the Mach 2.5 VAX missing system headers….

I guess it’s worth trying on whatever should be the parallel BSD system if it’s like v8/v9 which needed a BSD machine to bootstrap.

From: Henry Bent
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:28 AM
To: Angelo Papenhoff
Cc: TUHS main list
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Running v10

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 12:12, Angelo Papenhoff <aap@papnet.eu> wrote:
Did anyone try to get v10 running in simh yet? It's been public for a
while now and while we have two blit emulators already I haven't seen
v10 alive yet. I have to admit I haven't tried to get it running myself either.

After a brief look at the boot and config sources it appears as though there is support for the MicroVAX II which SIMH supports and I have used.  Is there an environment which is preferred for building the V10 source tree?  4.3BSD?  V8?  Something else?

-Henry

On 27/08/19, Rob Pike wrote:
> I always thought Research 10th Edition was fantastic. Even the 8th edition
> was an improvement on most of its successors. But things flowed another
> way, with muddy streams mixing in.


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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t recall their being detailed installation instructions like v8/v9.  I never noticed the vax boot stuff as it was buried in the tree.  It’s possible that it’s buildable.  Or it could be incomplete like the Mach 2.5 VAX missing system headers….</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I guess it’s worth trying on whatever should be the parallel BSD system if it’s like v8/v9 which needed a BSD machine to bootstrap.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:henry.r.bent@gmail.com">Henry Bent</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, August 28, 2019 12:28 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:aap@papnet.eu">Angelo Papenhoff</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org">TUHS main list</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TUHS] Running v10</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 12:12, Angelo Papenhoff &lt;<a href="mailto:aap@papnet.eu">aap@papnet.eu</a>&gt; wrote:</p></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Did anyone try to get v10 running in simh yet? It's been public for a<br>while now and while we have two blit emulators already I haven't seen<br>v10 alive yet. I have to admit I haven't tried to get it running myself either.</p></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>After a brief look at the boot and config sources it appears as though there is support for the MicroVAX II which SIMH supports and I have used.&nbsp; Is there an environment which is preferred for building the V10 source tree?&nbsp; 4.3BSD?&nbsp; V8?&nbsp; Something else?</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-Henry</p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:4.8pt'>On 27/08/19, Rob Pike wrote:<br>&gt; I always thought Research 10th Edition was fantastic. Even the 8th edition<br>&gt; was an improvement on most of its successors. But things flowed another<br>&gt; way, with muddy streams mixing in.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></body></html>

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* Re: [TUHS] Running v10
  2019-08-27 16:05           ` [TUHS] Running v10 Angelo Papenhoff
@ 2019-08-27 16:27             ` Henry Bent
  2019-08-28  4:22               ` Jason Stevens
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Henry Bent @ 2019-08-27 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Angelo Papenhoff; +Cc: TUHS main list

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On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 12:12, Angelo Papenhoff <aap@papnet.eu> wrote:

> Did anyone try to get v10 running in simh yet? It's been public for a
> while now and while we have two blit emulators already I haven't seen
> v10 alive yet. I have to admit I haven't tried to get it running myself
> either.
>

After a brief look at the boot and config sources it appears as though
there is support for the MicroVAX II which SIMH supports and I have used.
Is there an environment which is preferred for building the V10 source
tree?  4.3BSD?  V8?  Something else?

-Henry

On 27/08/19, Rob Pike wrote:
> > I always thought Research 10th Edition was fantastic. Even the 8th
> edition
> > was an improvement on most of its successors. But things flowed another
> > way, with muddy streams mixing in.
>

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 12:12, Angelo Papenhoff &lt;<a href="mailto:aap@papnet.eu">aap@papnet.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Did anyone try to get v10 running in simh yet? It&#39;s been public for a<br>
while now and while we have two blit emulators already I haven&#39;t seen<br>
v10 alive yet. I have to admit I haven&#39;t tried to get it running myself either.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>After a brief look at the boot and config sources it appears as though there is support for the MicroVAX II which SIMH supports and I have used.  Is there an environment which is preferred for building the V10 source tree?  4.3BSD?  V8?  Something else?</div><div><br></div><div>-Henry<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
On 27/08/19, Rob Pike wrote:<br>
&gt; I always thought Research 10th Edition was fantastic. Even the 8th edition<br>
&gt; was an improvement on most of its successors. But things flowed another<br>
&gt; way, with muddy streams mixing in.<br>
</blockquote></div></div>

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* [TUHS] Running v10
  2019-08-27  0:58         ` Rob Pike
@ 2019-08-27 16:05           ` Angelo Papenhoff
  2019-08-27 16:27             ` Henry Bent
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Papenhoff @ 2019-08-27 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

Did anyone try to get v10 running in simh yet? It's been public for a
while now and while we have two blit emulators already I haven't seen
v10 alive yet. I have to admit I haven't tried to get it running myself either.

aap

On 27/08/19, Rob Pike wrote:
> I always thought Research 10th Edition was fantastic. Even the 8th edition
> was an improvement on most of its successors. But things flowed another
> way, with muddy streams mixing in.

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