From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 8a63cdeb for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 23:03:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B55619B906; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:03:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7239478E; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:03:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6AECA9478E; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:03:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FE8893D23 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:03:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: by sdaoden.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8865C16054; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 01:03:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 01:03:12 +0200 From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Larry McVoy Message-ID: <20190913230312.XaeCQ%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20190913211751.GF2046@mcvoy.com> References: <20190911181101.GF3143@mcvoy.com> <20190912034346.GJ2046@mcvoy.com> <1457a2d6-2f17-482d-e4f7-ace439d34ca8@neophilic.com> <8db2e89c-ce50-a453-e38a-ecdfe69a746c@e-bbes.com> <20190913211104.aMZXy%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20190913211751.GF2046@mcvoy.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , emanuel stiebler , Clem Cole , Eric Allman , TUHS main list , User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.15-64-ge271e7b3 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. Subject: Re: [TUHS] SCCS X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de, TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Larry McVoy wrote in <20190913211751.GF2046@mcvoy.com>: |On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 11:11:04PM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> emanuel stiebler wrote in <8db2e89c-ce50-a453-e38a-ecdfe69a746c@e-bbes.c\ |> om>: |>|On 2019-09-12 19:29, Clem Cole wrote: |>|> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:16 PM Eric Allman |> > wrote: |>|> |>|> ??At thispoint I'm using git because, well, all the cool kids are |>|> doing it, and |>|> since I work at the university I have to go with the flow sometimes\ |>|> . |>|> And git has some nice properties.?? On the other hand, I have \ |>|> shot myself |>|> in the foot with git more times than the sum of all other screwups \ |>|> \ |>|> with |>|> all other source management systems combined. |>|> |>|> eric |>|> |>|> +1?? |>| |>|I have this one on the waqll in the office: |>|https://xkcd.com/1597/ |> |> I for one am so happy to have git that i cannot tell you how much |> that is. I have used rcs, cvs, subversion, back to cvs, ... |> All of it has been a pain here or there. Yes, the weave. Schily |> wants to provide real changeset support for sccs (tagging is real |> problem), i think. | |I don't know why, BitKeeper does that and is open source under |a liberal license (Apache v2). Diversity is something good i would say. With the constraint that it is real diversity, as nature produces, not as in modern times where the supermarket has two dozen sorts of margarine, and in the end it comes from Kraft or Nestle, which bought together a sortiment, and that is basically it, which (i bore you) has to result in save effects which dilutes recipes or ingredients. (I am the happy eater of Alsan-S, and are paying not getting paid for it. But that is ok.) So in fact this diversity rather is BitKeeper and Sun SCCS only. Yet two hears are better than one, sang Frank Sinatra. He is as convinced from SCCS and its interleaved deltas as you are, but he works on extending the plain original SCCS, which is pretty smaller; his presentation from the "Chemnitzer Linux Tage 2012" (linux days of former Karl-Marx-Stadt) [1] talks about this and also prominently mentions BitKeeper: . All modern distributed OSS version control systems base upon BitKeeper in the end. . BitKeeper bases upon the ideas of TeamWare. . TeamWare bases upon the ideas of NSE. . NSE is a frontend to SCCS. . Therewith all modern systems ultimately base upon SCCS. . Distributed operate TeamWare, BitKeeper, git, Mercurial. This logic convinces me. First, we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin. His SCCS is not a competitor to the BitKeeper suite, of course. But it roots in the original Sun code, just as Heirloom SCCS. [1] http://sccs.sourceforge.net/SCCS-Chemnitz-2012.pdf --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)