From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 25f91917 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 20:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6F98C9BD90; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:21:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5C19BD1C; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:21:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D83769BD1C; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:21:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6760F9BA1C for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:21:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x8FKL038019891 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:21:00 -0700 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x8FKL0nM019888 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:21:00 -0700 Message-Id: <201909152021.x8FKL0nM019888@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-reply-to: References: <20190915042117.GW2046@mcvoy.com> <201909150517.x8F5HLfa009023@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Comments: In-reply-to Clem Cole message dated "Sun, 15 Sep 2019 16:14:58 -0400." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19886.1568578860.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 13:21:00 -0700 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Clem Cole writes: > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:18 AM Jon Steinhart wrote: > > > Way back in the 80s when scheduling was new I wrote tools that generated > > pert and gantt charts via pic. > > > We did the same thing at Masscomp. > Then Danny Klein wrote a very cool Mac program that spit out pic (before > xfig existed). The big problem with xfig (and fig befoe that) is that it didn't utilize what to me is one of the most important features of pic which is invisible elements. When I do a complicated diagram, I start with an invisible box and hang the diagram on it. That way, if I run out of space or need to make other adjustments I can just change the size of that invisible box scaffold. Sure beats stuff done in absolute coordinates by (x)fig or even many other modern drawing programs where everything has to be manually moved around and scaled. Jon