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On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 08:10:48AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:52 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
> 
> > I use the standalone Info reader (named info) if I want to look at the
> > Info output.
> >
> Fair enough, but be careful, while I admit I have not looked in a while,
> info(gnu) relies on emacs keybindings and a number of very emacs'ish things.
> Every time I have tried to deal with it, I have unprogram my fingers and
> reset them to emacs.
> 
> If it would have used more(1) [or even less(1)] then I would not be as
> annoyed.
> Unix had fine tools [man(1), more(1), et al] and rms and friends felt the
> need to replace them with ITS-like programs.

I hate texinfo and friends.  I get why it is better than man, but man was
good enough, more than good enough, and the GNU project took everything
it could find and destroyed the man pages.

If you have something like perl that needs a zillion sub pages, info
makes sense.  For just a man page, info is horrible.