From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b9981d7a for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E20BD9BFC6; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 03:24:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744879478F; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 03:24:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 970819478F; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 03:24:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34BC29478D for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 03:24:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id D7F1E35E11A; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:24:22 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: KatolaZ Message-ID: <20190916172422.GS2046@mcvoy.com> References: <20190916145122.GH2046@mcvoy.com> <20190916161040.GM2046@mcvoy.com> <201909161616.x8GGG4Fb020760@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20190916162614.GO2046@mcvoy.com> <20190916164502.GQ2046@mcvoy.com> <20190916171905.piituc2qdh46kejt@unixfarts.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190916171905.piituc2qdh46kejt@unixfarts.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] earliest Unix roff X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 07:19:05PM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 09:45:02AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > Those who defend the choice of info over man just aren't real Unix > > people. And that's fine, Unix isn't the only choice, they can go > > run some other OS and be happy. But it's just rude to thrust info > > into a Unix system. And lame because they could have parsed man > > pages into info docs and then they are adopting the Unix way of > > doing things and actually adding value. > > Sorry, but I totally don't see the point here. Jon put it well, the point is people expect to be able to say man foo and have that work. Until GNU came along, that's the way it was. GNU pushed a different system into the mix. The secondary point is they could have *added* to Unix by making a man2info command, I know they could have because I've done something similar, parsing man or -ms pages is trivial. GNU choose not to do that and I can't begin to express how wrong that was. GNU is not Unix for sure.