From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 67dc7500 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 68840947A2; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:17:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADF6894807; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:17:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 01F979BFD1; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:17:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from www.lemis.com (www.lemis.com [208.86.226.86]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AA99BFDC for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:16:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from eureka.lemis.com (lemis.com [192.109.197.81]) by www.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279A41B72837; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eureka.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC65F264D3F; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:16:55 +1000 (AEST) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:16:55 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dave Horsfall Message-ID: <20190917001655.GE31311@eureka.lemis.com> References: <20190913221345.GA16129@minnie.tuhs.org> <20190914020240.GO2046@mcvoy.com> <20190914024433.GA19193@minnie.tuhs.org> <2e84c4d0-5239-b223-856d-00aacf8d3028@andrewnesbit.org> <201909150654.x8F6sChG021185@freefriends.org> <201909160552.x8G5qBYK025195@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: LEMIS, 29 Stones Road, Dereel, VIC, Australia Phone: +61-3-5309-0418 Mobile: +61-490-494-038. Use only as instructed. WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Subject: Re: [TUHS] earliest Unix roff X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, 17 September 2019 at 7:42:28 +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Mon, 16 Sep 2019, Clem Cole wrote: > >> Fair enough, but be careful, while I admit I have not looked in a while, >> info(gnu) relies on emacs keybindings and a number of very >> emacs'ish=A0things. Every time I have tried to deal with it, I have >> unprogram my fingers and reset them to emacs. > > Yep, which is why I like "info" as much as I like EMACS i.e. not at > all. Maybe I've missed something, but I'm in the intermediate camp. Emacs is in my fingertips, and I wouldn't want to live without it, but I'd far rather see info go away. In some ways it anticipated HTML, but I find navigation particularly painful. > What exactly is wrong with the manpage format? It's linear. > It tells you everything you need to know, and tells you where to > find further information. Yes, but you need to follow the link manually. Theoretically a good HTML document would be better, but it's nice to have a linear form that you can search. For an extreme case of man pages, look at something like mplayer(1) or mpv(1): $ man mplayer|wc -l 9435 $ man mpv|wc -l 13939 That doesn't make them easy to read. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA --twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAl2AJfcACgkQIubykFB6QiMORgCfcClISLp0nn1hXMNcGs942PRK 7JsAn0715t0DtQ+mRAvxWNO8OMI6yZBC =0DSt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --twz1s1Hj1O0rHoT0--