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From: Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org, ggm@algebras.org
Subject: [TUHS] block operations in editors, was  My EuroBSDcon talk
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 20:20:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201909170020.x8H0KWC6037690@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> (raw)

> The "block copy in an editor" thing is something which has intrigued
> me for years. poor old ed/ex/vi just couldn't do it, and for the life
> of me, I could not understand why this was "deprecated" by the people
> writing that family of editors.

One might trace it to the founding tenet that a file is a stream of bytes,
reinforced by the absence of multidemensional arrays in C. But it goes
deeper than that.

Ed imposes a structure, making a (finite) file into an array, aka list,
of lines. It's easy to define block moves and copies in a list. But
what are the semantics of a block move, wherein one treats the list
as a ragged-right 2D array? What gets pushed aside? In what direction?
How does a block move into column that not all destination rows
reach? How do you cope when the bottom gets ragged? How about the
top? Can one move blocks of tab-separated fields?

I think everyone has rued the lack of block operations at one time
or another. But implementing them in any degree of generality is a
stumbling block. What should the semantics be?

> Similarly the 'repeat this sequence of commands' thing which emacs had.

Ed's g command does that, except the sequence can't contain another g.
Sam, barely harder than ed to learn, cures that deficiency and generalizes
in other ways, too--but has no block operations.

Doug

             reply	other threads:[~2019-09-17  0:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-17  0:20 Doug McIlroy [this message]
2019-09-17  0:42 ` G. Branden Robinson
2019-09-17  2:02   ` George Michaelson
2019-09-17 11:01   ` Thomas Paulsen
2019-09-17  1:25 ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-17 11:34 Thomas Paulsen
2019-09-17 15:36 Noel Chiappa
2019-09-17 17:31 Doug McIlroy
2019-09-18  4:47 ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-18  4:52   ` Jon Steinhart

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