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* [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
@ 2019-09-28  2:02 Warren Toomey
  2019-09-28  2:10 ` Warren Toomey
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From: Warren Toomey @ 2019-09-28  2:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix documentation.
My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's not so good to
capture and search metadata.

Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have
recommendations?

Cheers, Warren

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-28  2:02 [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation? Warren Toomey
@ 2019-09-28  2:10 ` Warren Toomey
  2019-09-28  4:56   ` Lars Brinkhoff
  2019-09-28  2:38 ` Adam Thornton
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From: Warren Toomey @ 2019-09-28  2:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 12:02:30PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have
> recommendations?

Argh, bitsavers too, sorry Al, I forgot!
	Warren

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-28  2:02 [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation? Warren Toomey
  2019-09-28  2:10 ` Warren Toomey
@ 2019-09-28  2:38 ` Adam Thornton
  2019-09-29  8:25 ` Jason Stevens
  2019-09-29  8:52 ` SPC
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Adam Thornton @ 2019-09-28  2:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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> On Sep 27, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
> 
> All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix documentation.
> My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's not so good to
> capture and search metadata.
> 
> Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have
> recommendations?


I know Jason Scott at archive.org <http://archive.org/> and I trust him.  Bitsavers is also, obviously, known to be good.

I don’t know who’s behind gunkies but it seems like they have good stuff.

I would say: it’s not YOUR job to organize the metadata, it’s the search engines’.  Just hosting the docs and making them available for index is probably a lot of the battle.

Adam

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-28  2:10 ` Warren Toomey
@ 2019-09-28  4:56   ` Lars Brinkhoff
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From: Lars Brinkhoff @ 2019-09-28  4:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs

I like bitsavers.

Gunikes is a wiki, maybe not appropriate for uploading documents?

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-28  2:02 [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation? Warren Toomey
  2019-09-28  2:10 ` Warren Toomey
  2019-09-28  2:38 ` Adam Thornton
@ 2019-09-29  8:25 ` Jason Stevens
  2019-09-29  8:52 ` SPC
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From: Jason Stevens @ 2019-09-29  8:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs

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Gunkies.org is a wiki that is really good for pointing to stuff, and things like tutorials, indexes and other non original stuff. 




Archive.org is a great dumping ground for stuff, although it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. 




I'm not an admin on gunkies.org but I do get my email at least answered, so if you have no luck trying to create an account I'll bug the owner to make it happen. 




When I had more spare time I tried to seed gunkies with as much as I could. 




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On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:03 AM +0900, "Warren Toomey" <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:










All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix documentation.
My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's not so good to
capture and search metadata.

Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have
recommendations?

Cheers, Warren






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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-28  2:02 [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation? Warren Toomey
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  2019-09-29  8:25 ` Jason Stevens
@ 2019-09-29  8:52 ` SPC
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From: SPC @ 2019-09-29  8:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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El sáb., 28 sept. 2019 4:03, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> escribió:

>
> Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else, and have
> recommendations?
>

I use archive.org *a lot* of times in relation with a wide number of
topics. Iam very happy with the results but I must admit that it's huge and
sometimes a bit confused. On the other hand a diverse kind of files can be
stored, mostly multimedia and pdf/ps/text. I think binary files too but not
as EXE. ISO images or similar are more usual.

Cordiales saludos / Best Regards / Salutations / Freundliche Grüße
-----
Sergio Pedraja

>

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
@ 2019-09-29 18:53 jnc
  2019-09-29 20:11 ` Brian L. Stuart
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From: jnc @ 2019-09-29 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: jnc

    > From: Warren Toomey

    > All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix
    > documentation. My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's not
    > so good to capture and search metadata.
    > Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else

BitSavers seems to be the canonical location for old computer documentation.

The CHWiki (gunkies.org) isn't really the best place to put original documentation,
but that's where I'd recommend putting meta-data. As for searching meta-data, are
you speaking of something more powerful than Google?

    Noel

PS: Speaking of old Unix documentation, I recently acquired a paper copy of the
PDP-11 V6 Unix manual. Is that something I should scan? I don't know if you
already have it (I know where to find sources in the archives, but I don't
know where documentation scans live.)

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-29 18:53 jnc
@ 2019-09-29 20:11 ` Brian L. Stuart
  2019-09-29 20:23 ` Clem Cole
  2019-09-29 21:34 ` Warren Toomey
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From: Brian L. Stuart @ 2019-09-29 20:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs, Noel Chiappa

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 On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 2:53:52 PM EDT, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
> PS: Speaking of old Unix documentation, I recently acquired a paper copy of the
> PDP-11 V6 Unix manual. Is that something I should scan? I don't know if you
> already have it (I know where to find sources in the archives, but I don't
> know where documentation scans live.)

I was looking for a copy of that for my exhibit at VCF southeast
this year, but I never could find a complete copy. There's a
mostly complete scan on archive.org, but there are some bits
missing. I'd have to do a little digging to say just which bits,
though. (The tmg doc was one I remember not being there.)

BLS
  

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-29 18:53 jnc
  2019-09-29 20:11 ` Brian L. Stuart
@ 2019-09-29 20:23 ` Clem Cole
  2019-09-29 21:34 ` Warren Toomey
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Clem Cole @ 2019-09-29 20:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Noel Chiappa; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

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On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:54 PM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
wrote:

>     > From: Warren Toomey
>
>     > All, I'm just musing where is the best place to store Unix
>     > documentation. My Unix Archive is really just a filesystem, so it's
> not
>     > so good to capture and search metadata.
>     > Is anybody using archive.org, gunkies or something else
>
> BitSavers seems to be the canonical location for old computer
> documentation.
>
I agree +1 BitSavers, but Warren you should keep your stuff.   One-stop
shopping for UNIX archives is a good thing.



>
> The CHWiki (gunkies.org) isn't really the best place to put original
> documentation,
> but that's where I'd recommend putting meta-data. As for searching
> meta-data, are
> you speaking of something more powerful than Google?
>
>     Noel
>
> PS: Speaking of old Unix documentation, I recently acquired a paper copy
> of the
> PDP-11 V6 Unix manual. Is that something I should scan? I don't know if you
> already have it (I know where to find sources in the archives, but I don't
> know where documentation scans live.)
>
What I personally have is impure, and I have not seen a complete one
elsewhere, so if you have a real manual, that is a good thing IMHO.

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-29 18:53 jnc
  2019-09-29 20:11 ` Brian L. Stuart
  2019-09-29 20:23 ` Clem Cole
@ 2019-09-29 21:34 ` Warren Toomey
  2019-09-29 22:40   ` Dave Horsfall
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From: Warren Toomey @ 2019-09-29 21:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:53:20PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> BitSavers seems to be the canonical location for old computer documentation.

Looks like BitSavers is the recommendation. Can someone point me at the
docs that outline the procedure to get documents to Al (others as well?) for
consideration.

I might put things in both bitsavers.org and archive.org.

Cheers, Warren

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
@ 2019-09-29 21:54 jnc
  2019-09-29 23:03 ` Brian L. Stuart
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread
From: jnc @ 2019-09-29 21:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: jnc

    > From: "Brian L. Stuart"

    > (The tmg doc was one I remember not being there.)

Err, TMG(VI) is 1/2 page long. Is that really what you were looking for?
(I _did_ specify the 'UPM'.)

I do happen to have the V6-era TMG _manual_, if that's what you're looking
for.

   Noel

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-29 21:34 ` Warren Toomey
@ 2019-09-29 22:40   ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-09-29 23:02   ` Earl Baugh
  2019-10-07 18:38   ` Al Kossow
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From: Dave Horsfall @ 2019-09-29 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society

On Mon, 30 Sep 2019, Warren Toomey wrote:

> I might put things in both bitsavers.org and archive.org.

A bit of redundancy won't hurt...

-- Dave

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-29 21:34 ` Warren Toomey
  2019-09-29 22:40   ` Dave Horsfall
@ 2019-09-29 23:02   ` Earl Baugh
  2019-10-07 18:38   ` Al Kossow
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Earl Baugh @ 2019-09-29 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: TUHS

I really would suggest first and foremost just getting stuff scanned. Archive.org does pull from bitsavers ( according to Jason when I talked to him ) so posting there should hit both. Redundancy is good. So keeping it on your site as well doesn’t hurt. And having TUHS as a place to look at to start makes a lot of sense to me. 

Earl 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 5:35 PM, Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 02:53:20PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> BitSavers seems to be the canonical location for old computer documentation.
> 
> Looks like BitSavers is the recommendation. Can someone point me at the
> docs that outline the procedure to get documents to Al (others as well?) for
> consideration.
> 
> I might put things in both bitsavers.org and archive.org.
> 
> Cheers, Warren

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-29 21:54 jnc
@ 2019-09-29 23:03 ` Brian L. Stuart
  2019-09-30  1:13   ` Warner Losh
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From: Brian L. Stuart @ 2019-09-29 23:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs, Noel Chiappa

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 On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 5:54:24 PM EDT, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
> > From: "Brian L. Stuart"
> > (The tmg doc was one I remember not being there.)
>
> Err, TMG(VI) is 1/2 page long. Is that really what you were looking for?
> (I _did_ specify the 'UPM'.)

My bad. I missed that part. Wishful thinking had me
thinking it included the docs as well as the man pages.

> I do happen to have the V6-era TMG _manual_, if that's what you're looking
> for.

It's one of the items I haven't yet found from the 6th ed
docs. The M6 manual is another one that I didn't find.
So far, I haven't found a scan of the docs that WE
shipped with the tape.

BLS
  

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-29 23:03 ` Brian L. Stuart
@ 2019-09-30  1:13   ` Warner Losh
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From: Warner Losh @ 2019-09-30  1:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Brian L. Stuart; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society, Noel Chiappa

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On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 6:12 PM Brian L. Stuart <blstuart@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 5:54:24 PM EDT, Noel Chiappa <
> jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > From: "Brian L. Stuart"
> > > (The tmg doc was one I remember not being there.)
> >
> > Err, TMG(VI) is 1/2 page long. Is that really what you were looking for?
> > (I _did_ specify the 'UPM'.)
>
> My bad. I missed that part. Wishful thinking had me
> thinking it included the docs as well as the man pages.
>
> > I do happen to have the V6-era TMG _manual_, if that's what you're
> looking
> > for.
>
> It's one of the items I haven't yet found from the 6th ed
> docs.
>

https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/1972_stuff/tmg.pdf has
an earlier version.

The M6 manual is another one that I didn't find.
> So far, I haven't found a scan of the docs
>

Ebay number 113713199572 might be of interest.

Warner


BLS
>

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
@ 2019-09-30 21:41 jnc
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: jnc @ 2019-09-30 21:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: jnc

    > From: Warner Losh

    > https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/1972_stuff/tmg.pdf
    > has an earlier version.

That's the exact same as the one I have.


    > From: "Brian L. Stuart"

    > The M6 manual is another one that I didn't find.

Got that too (it's by Andrew Hall).

    Noel

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* Re: [TUHS] Poll: good location for Unix documentation?
  2019-09-29 21:34 ` Warren Toomey
  2019-09-29 22:40   ` Dave Horsfall
  2019-09-29 23:02   ` Earl Baugh
@ 2019-10-07 18:38   ` Al Kossow
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Al Kossow @ 2019-10-07 18:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs



On 9/29/19 2:34 PM, Warren Toomey wrote:
> Can someone point me at the
> docs that outline the procedure to get documents to Al

There is no documentation, just an email adr on the bottom of the main page
I can email you ftp upload info



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