From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 437f2a2c for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 21:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9276494705; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14D393D09; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E9FDF93D09; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.bitblocks.com (ns1.bitblocks.com [173.228.5.8]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FF593D06 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 07:05:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from bitblocks.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bitblocks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3660156E80B for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2019 14:05:06 -0700 (PDT) To: TUHS main list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:09:42 -0700." <20191009200942.GA73878@wopr> References: <1570559927.29337.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> <2e6e1005-3bbf-5dcc-3fcc-099864c752dc@kilonet.net> <8088e5bd-3530-d3e1-8066-db6ea9389dea@kilonet.net> <20191009200942.GA73878@wopr> Comments: In-reply-to Kurt H Maier message dated "Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:09:42 -0700." From: Bakul Shah MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <38949.1570655106.1@bitblocks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 14:05:06 -0700 Message-Id: <20191009210513.B3660156E80B@mail.bitblocks.com> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Recovered /etc/passwd files X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 13:09:42 -0700 Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2019 at 09:59:43AM -1000, Rob Pike wrote: > > = > > Interesting though it is, though, I find this hacking distasteful. It = was > > distasteful back when, and it still is. The attitudes around hackery h= ave > > changed; the position nowadays seems to be that the bad guys are doing= it > > so the good guys should be rewarded for doing it first. That's disinge= nuous > > at best, and dangerous at worst. > > = > > And not really relevant to this topic, in fact. It's not like we're > sitting around rainbow-tabling someone's Macbook. This stuff is, at > this point, of historical interest. "How many decades old must a hash > be before it's acceptable to decode it" is a valid question worth > answering, but comparing this kind of archaeology to active attack is > slightly absurd. I feel more than slightly absurd asking this but is the password ken used in 1980 is of "historical interest"?