From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,PLING_QUERY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 04d77133 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 21:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B7B349B8A9; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:32:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A09D94811; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:32:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7217E94811; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:32:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B603794742 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:32:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by sdaoden.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CA3E116054; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:32:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:31:59 +0200 From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Warren Toomey Message-ID: <20191010213159.AzhR_%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20191010205546.GA29154@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20191010205546.GA29154@minnie.tuhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Toomey , tuhs@tuhs.org User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.15-122-g3eefadce OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. Subject: Re: [TUHS] What was your "Aha, Unix!" moment? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Warren Toomey wrote in <20191010205546.GA29154@minnie.tuhs.org>: |All, we had another dozen TUHS suscribers to the list overnight. Welcome. |A reminder that we're here to discuss Unix Heritage, so I'll nudge you |if the conversation goes a bit off-topic. | |So I'll kick off another thread. What was your "ahah" moment when you |first saw that Unix was special, especially compared to the systems you'd |previously used? | |Mine was: Oh, I can: I get the feeling somebody's watching me! (However: #?0|kent:$ prt-get info xeyes Package 'xeyes' not found #?255|kent:$ prt-get dsearch xeye No matching packages found #?255|kent:$ prt-get fsearch xeye #?255|kent:$) | + write a simple script Perl with full set of manual pages available! (Only as single page HTML before.) | + to edit a file on the fly That was really hard, coming from Notepad plus or what its name was. Luckily there was MidnightCommander as a NortonCommander clone, otherwise i would likely have been bogged down. xedit no, xemacs no. There was a graphical editor thing, i think it used Motif, but i have forgotten. Had syntax highlighting, but had no tabs if i recall correctly. It was a long way to get myself going with emacs, but finally, after a year or two, came to vim. The window managers were really hard to get right, i grabbed a super-cheap SuSE debug CD on 1999-01-11, it used fvwm2. Focus follows mouse and much more i could not deal with. I booted Windows for working purposes until first of May 1999, when i finally switched over to fulltime Linux. (I ended up using icewm after Enlightenment (cool but to slow) and WindowMaker did not make it. Until i discovered ahwm, which then was it. Only recently i switched to cwm.) | + with no temporary files (a la pipes) That did bother you. I am superficial. And i came in via 4DOS. And as a Basic, .BAT and perl "programmer". | + AND I can change the file suffix and the system won't stop me! Discovery of shebang was a tremendous moment. And anything around that. Discovery of manuals, for example the GNU C library manual! Ah, it soon was discovery of the entire basic UNIX tool set, that dispersed set of tools acting together for a greater whole! That was really, really great. |I was using TOPS-20 beforehand. C64/GEOS, Win 3.1/DOS, Windows95/4DOS. |Cheers, Warren --End of <20191010205546.GA29154@minnie.tuhs.org> --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)