From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,PLING_QUERY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 021e6a2d for ; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 19:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 438B29BD88; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:46:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FB49BC04; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:46:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BE9039BC00; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:46:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from vtr.rulingia.com (vtr.rulingia.com [45.77.232.82]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D9E99BBEF for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 05:46:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from server.rulingia.com (ppp239-208.static.internode.on.net [59.167.239.208]) by vtr.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x9DJk9Vw034006 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:46:15 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.rulingia.com (localhost.rulingia.com [127.0.0.1]) by server.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x9DJk3OO011196 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:46:03 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter@server.rulingia.com) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x9DJk3e8011195 for tuhs@tuhs.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:46:03 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:46:03 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: tuhs@tuhs.org Message-ID: <20191013194603.GB68749@server.rulingia.com> References: <20191010205546.GA29154@minnie.tuhs.org> <87h84f4kle.fsf@vuxu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) Subject: Re: [TUHS] What was your "Aha, Unix!" moment? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't recall a specific aha moment either. Possibly it was make - I had previously expressed a wish for some sort of dependency tracking mechanism to speed up the build system I was using in my job, and had been told it couldn't be done. I was impressed that Unix provided one out of the box. On 2019-Oct-11 15:04:15 +0300, Tyler Adams wrote: >Then when Apple and Google pumped out 3 BILLION unix like devices and made >unix mainstream, it just nailed it in that unix is a really special piece >of software*.* Well, whilst Apple and Google products are built around a Unix-like core, none of them expose the Unix UI to normal users. And, if you come from a Unix background, even once you access the underlying core, the differences are more likely to trip you up than make you feel at home. Instead, they each have their own, proprietary UI, together with a relatively proprietary development environment. None of them are going to introduce a new generation to Unix or generate Unix evangelists. --=20 Peter Jeremy --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE7rKYbDBnHnTmXCJ+FqWXoOSiCzQFAl2jfvVfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEVF QjI5ODZDMzA2NzFFNzRFNjVDMjI3RTE2QTU5N0EwRTRBMjBCMzQACgkQFqWXoOSi CzQstA/7BIe6j/eIpdisnAOz6IC80yTHLfp75LiksM+yt6PnikdTjHJJnT/+pPhF mC/Fats4TJ4iKN731yn7sZCCAogl1KV+tqlAvTo9xsG/K4q3ImDa2wbHMDZIE3I9 aNPCjqqN2Bb1TzTanVQCm7leJvZm+CJH1fxKy74TGUsw7YG/jmUo+/I0YCc5C4BB Ii63S/K3+ShS+PP5WuCLSPEPNqj5JMpDpFraM6+THOx14LERbHEUdbtHNIaGhpw7 2piaiTM49NTonxwRVJ/igXacn7qvWlZ2aAlIB5rvCATe1smolmTVKwpTuYcw3FQi MZ4tQOd12qvE7wJe0y8gW0wAKyVzsa9MHYNMA54RmC2TJLxRHbZwI6GMPdJpicxA VpOc9GN17kjWDLFEZG4qE2tl0J9hY8jEJfbdZtOGSYVrh6fBrI4C1gBNNjtvAMWW s32j4md9uFURtqQR0B1XddNb564RZ1vr4N55gUoekkhou318o+R0G0/6PUjC+VPh vYZcoyRxFJt1t9BJ3COl5vgrTKHzsWNO77hzzghBcd+ZH9Qi2CknZ3KhTyf0KE4z Mbrq/C/fLfoUDGMPfI6/R+T7oIR49UC2ZVejdJVAWvJxj0N4m4+X1Vilvr3n0G44 anx5dsIga9ltz9AARz7aEpHSiXBkilf8GhYwVo2j/AB5zGnsNow= =neD6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S--