From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 56ac5a4d for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 07:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 138FA9C125; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:36:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849969B5A3; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:35:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 82C639B5A3; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:35:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1F5293F9E for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:35:39 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id xAD7ZRil014499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 Nov 2019 00:35:28 -0700 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id xAD7ZQD6014497; Wed, 13 Nov 2019 00:35:26 -0700 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <201911130735.xAD7ZQD6014497@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 00:35:26 -0700 To: tuhs@tuhs.org, norman@oclsc.org References: <1573592179.5935.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> In-Reply-To: <1573592179.5935.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday Morris worm X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Norman Wilson wrote: > I am very disappointed that programming education seems not to care > enough about this sort of thing, even today. I think this is the key. Universities focus (too much?) on the theory and not enough on the practice, and "learn how to program" courses and books focus on the mechanics (syntax, semantics) and not enough (or at all) on the practicum of writing code well. We continue to rely on the school of hard knocks, and we continue to pay for this reliance. I also think there's a sliding scale. The fancier or higher-end the university, the more the focus on theory, and vice versa. Sigh. Arnold