From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 47f9dccd for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 03:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6DA199B584; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:28:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E299B483; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:28:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7F6089B483; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:28:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31F6293E04 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:28:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id DC85735E134; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:28:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:28:32 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: George Michaelson Message-ID: <20191121032832.GD23794@mcvoy.com> References: <201911191901.xAJJ1d76006989@skeeve.com> <20191121031423.GC23794@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Steve Bellovin recounts the history of USENET X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:18:10AM +0800, George Michaelson wrote: > there is a big US bias in the archives of USENET. All I could find > preserved (before Google deleted it) was my updates to the maps for > York.ac.uk. In collecting history, the US erased most of Europe and > Asia basically. Our timelines are artificially compressed into the > modern era. Can you explain this a bit? When I was on Usenet, 1980-1990 or so, it was very small, my guess is maybe 10,000 people that posted, maybe less. My memory is I could post a question to comp.arch or where ever, and I'd wake up in the morning and someone from Australia or some other place over the pond had an answer. It was usually a grad student or a prof or someone really smart. So is this an archive thing? Because in my memory, it was not a Usenet thing, smart people from all over the world posted. As an aside, I remember being on a canoe with my dad, a physics researcher and prof, and trying to explain Usenet to him. I said something like "it is so cool Dad, so many cool people, everyone should be on it". And then AOL happened and it went to shit. If my thoughts helped that along I am _so_ sorry. It was awesome when it was small. This list is sort of like early Usenet, smart people, people who know the history. Lets keep it small but Steve should be here. --lm