From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 31e7d3cf for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 21:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 29FC09C15B; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 07:33:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DCB93D74; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 07:32:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2E03293D74; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 07:32:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE28D93D71 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 07:32:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 8844635E134; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:32:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 13:32:38 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Kurt H Maier Message-ID: <20191122213238.GC16255@mcvoy.com> References: <201911211323.xALDNP0u000778@freefriends.org> <87sgmh43xy.fsf@vuxu.org> <20191122201801.GA5637@hal9k> <20191122210645.GB37773@wopr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191122210645.GB37773@wopr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Steve Bellovin recounts the history of USENET X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 01:06:45PM -0800, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 03:49:58PM -0500, Henry Bent wrote: > > > > Has anyone definitely proven that any of the contents of these files are > > not in the searchable Google Groups interface? I don't really see any need > > to duplicate their efforts. > > That data is essentially unavailable to people without Google accounts. > Even back when it was, the search had degraded to the point where you > could paste explicit quotes from messages and those messages would not > be in the results page. > > I wholeheartedly see a need to duplicate (and surpass) their efforts. The > Deja News service was wonderful; Google's implementation is not. Even if > someon were to convince them to improve it, they've demonstrated they're > not a good company to rely on for long-term availability of services > that are not active surveillance vehicles. Amen.