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From: arnold@skeeve.com
To: clemc@ccc.com, arnold@skeeve.com
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] sh: cmd | >file
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 13:44:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202001062044.006KiIPY023871@freefriends.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2NGXiyPML42K4XzQniA0OJ33cJ7X0QCeQbqVRj-ai9-JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 10:46 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
>
> > Would anyone who uses Bash regularly, both interactively and for
> > scripting, really want to go back to using the V7 sh
> > for production work?  I certainly would not.
>
> A heretic!!  Believers all know '*Bourne to Program, Type with Joy' *and*
> 'One true bracing style' *are the two most important commandments of UNIX
> programmer!
>
> Seriously, I still write my scripts as v7 and use (t)csh as my login shell
> on all my UNIX boxes ;-)

Time to move into the 21st century.  Tcsh has been obsolete for decades.

Myself, when first exposed to the csh, I revolted (and was revolted) and
stuck with the Bourne shell, even though there was no job control or
history.

I later ported Ron Minnich's job control from the BRL S5R2 on top of BSD shell
to the plain BSD shell and also wrote my own !-style history editor for
it. (Both were posted on USENET in the early 80s.)

After that I got ksh86 and later ksh88, with vi-style command line
editing and never looked back. Then, in the early 90s when I no longer
had ksh access, I switched to bash, contributed fixes to readline's vi
mode, and have been with bash since.

(For a while I tried rc + readline, but that just didn't do it for me.
Bash all the way. Zsh is too different in its vi mode.)

And kudos to Chet for dealing with all the POSIX zigzags ("clarifications",
"definitions") for the shell over the decades. I admire him, but I
don't envy him.

My two cents,

Arnold

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-06 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-04  2:58 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-04 10:07 ` markus schnalke
2020-01-04 11:47   ` Robert Clausecker
2020-01-04 22:31     ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-04 21:02   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-04 21:06     ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-05  0:03       ` Eric Allman
2020-01-05  1:49         ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-05  2:44           ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-05  8:15             ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-05 15:16               ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-04 21:11     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-04 21:39       ` Warner Losh
2020-01-04 22:19         ` Terry Jones
2020-01-04 22:33           ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-04 23:53             ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-05  0:04               ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri
2020-01-05  2:41               ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-05 13:45                 ` Sven Mascheck via TUHS
2020-01-05 15:18                   ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-05 21:21                 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-06 13:53                   ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-06 15:42                     ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-06 15:46                       ` arnold
2020-01-06 16:13                         ` Clem Cole
2020-01-06 20:44                           ` arnold [this message]
2020-01-06 20:51                             ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-06 21:32                             ` Clem Cole
2020-01-06 21:39                               ` Brad Spencer
2020-01-06 21:29                         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-06 21:55                           ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-06 22:22                             ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-06 22:52                             ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07  0:50                             ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-06 22:10                           ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-04 22:44           ` markus schnalke
2020-01-04 23:01             ` Terry Jones
2020-01-04 22:22         ` Dave Horsfall
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-01-07  5:03 Brian Walden
2020-01-07  4:49 Brian Walden
2020-01-06 19:47 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-06 16:11 Brian Walden
2020-01-06 16:33 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-06  3:24 Brian Walden
2020-01-06 15:42 ` Richard Salz
2020-01-06 15:45   ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-03 12:45 markus schnalke
2020-01-03 14:00 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-03 17:03   ` Brian Zick
2020-01-03 17:18     ` markus schnalke
2020-01-04  0:53       ` Sven Mascheck via TUHS
2020-01-04 20:41         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-03 19:38 ` markus schnalke
2020-01-03 19:44   ` Warner Losh
2020-01-03 22:49     ` Michael Parson
2020-01-03 23:32   ` Dave Horsfall

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