The Unix Heritage Society mailing list
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
To: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:08:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200109030853.GH16808@mcvoy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E96EAE49-D51D-4C7D-9D2C-D438D74722E7@bitblocks.com>

I feel like there is an option to get nvi behaviour now but I dunno
why you want that.  Are you seriously advocating for less?  Because
objectively vim gives you more.

And it is faithful to vi, it has all the buffers so you can put stuff
back that way.

Maybe I'm clueless or I drank the koolaid, but I love vim.  It's vi
but better.

On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 06:59:02PM -0800, Bakul Shah wrote:
> Early in vim???s life I had emailed Moolenaar asking him if he would be
> willing to add an option for nvi like behavior for undo/redo. He wasn???t
> interested so I lost interest. nvi???s u & . behavior is not only quite clever
> but also  much more intuitive and you don???t have to press the ctl key!
> 
> > On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
> > 
> > make a new command, don't break the old one....  maybe offer a way to map the new one over the old -- but don't make it the default.
> > and my lawn was lush and green before the snow came ;-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:07 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 09:04:46PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The first thing I do on a new machine is to install nvi. Very grateful to
> > > > Keith Bostic for implementing it. I do use multiple windows ??? only
> > > > horizontal splits but that is good enough for me as all my terminal
> > > > windows are 80 chars wide. Not a vim hater but never saw the need.
> > > 
> > > I pretty much do the same thing. I think what I hate about vim is that it's
> > > almost, vi but not the same. My fingers screw up when I use it.  For
> > > instance, he 'fixed' undo.   
> > 
> > Holy crap Clem, you need to embrace that.  His undo goes back forever.
> > And you can undo the undo and go forward forever.  
> > 
> > Not liking that puts you in the "get off my lawn" old guy camp.  Which
> > is fine if that's who you want to be (sometimes I'm that guy).

-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	     lm at mcvoy.com             http://www.mcvoy.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-09  3:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-08  9:46 Rudi Blom
2020-01-08 14:15 ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-08 15:15   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-08 15:42     ` Steve Mynott
     [not found]     ` <68b3d6df-94f6-625d-39bf-6149b4c177c9@andrewnesbit.org>
2020-01-08 20:56       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-08 23:21   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-09  0:08     ` Warner Losh
2020-01-09  1:28       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  1:40         ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  2:04           ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09  2:07             ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  2:12               ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09  2:59                 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:08                   ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2020-01-09  3:43                     ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:27                 ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-09  3:34                   ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  3:49                   ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:55                     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-09  5:27                       ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  4:23                 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 15:54                   ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09 17:21                     ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 17:30                       ` Warner Losh
2020-01-09 17:45                         ` [TUHS] screen editors and beyond Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 17:56                       ` [TUHS] screen editors Bakul Shah
2020-01-18  2:11                         ` Michael Parson
2020-01-09 18:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09 19:01                         ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 19:02                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-09 19:19                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-09 20:20                     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-18  2:06                   ` Michael Parson
2020-01-18  3:13                     ` Clem Cole
2020-01-18  3:44                       ` Kurt H Maier
2020-01-18 15:37                       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-18 22:11                         ` markus schnalke
2020-01-09  2:14         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-01-09  2:48           ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-09  9:05       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-08 15:11 ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-08 15:37   ` Henry Bent
2020-01-18 14:22   ` Michael Parson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-01-26 20:32 [TUHS] Screen editors Paul Ruizendaal
2020-01-26 23:14 ` Thomas Paulsen
     [not found] <20200120155946.169b39e0.ref@sagittariusa.cnb.csic.es>
2020-01-20 14:59 ` Jose R. Valverde via TUHS
2020-01-20 16:07   ` Toby Thain
2020-01-20 16:20     ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-31 18:21       ` Jose R. Valverde via TUHS
2020-01-29 22:24     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-29 22:33       ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-07 23:05         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-07 23:54           ` Richard Salz
2020-02-08  3:11             ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-08  3:38               ` Ronald Natalie
2020-02-08  0:05           ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-29 23:00       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-26 18:28   ` arnold
2020-01-26 18:33     ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-26 18:36       ` arnold
2020-01-26 18:40       ` arnold
2020-01-26 19:11         ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-26 19:40     ` Jon Forrest
2020-01-26 20:08     ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-09 21:46 [TUHS] screen editors Norman Wilson
2020-01-09 22:10 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-08  7:39 Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-08 15:58 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-08 23:41   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-09  1:43     ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-08 21:49 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 22:01   ` Clem Cole
2020-01-17 23:38     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-18  0:07       ` Ryan Casalino
2020-01-18 23:02       ` greg travis
2020-01-10  8:13   ` markus schnalke
2020-01-10  8:17     ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2020-01-11 19:58       ` markus schnalke
2020-01-11 20:54         ` Derek Fawcus
2020-01-11 21:27         ` Henry Bent
2020-02-04  8:40         ` Sijmen J. Mulder
2020-01-10 15:31     ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-10 16:04       ` Clem Cole
2020-01-10 17:10       ` Dan Cross
2020-01-10 17:18         ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-18  1:55           ` Michael Parson
2020-01-10 15:58     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-01-07 19:57 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-07 20:17 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-07 20:47 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-07  2:31 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-07  2:37 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-07  2:38 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-07 16:30   ` arnold
2020-01-07 16:38     ` Richard Salz
2020-01-07 18:32     ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07 19:14     ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-09  5:01       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-01-10  8:16         ` ricercar
2020-01-08  0:10     ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-17 22:06       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 18:30     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-08 21:41       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-09  8:30       ` arnold
2020-01-07  6:19 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-07  8:24   ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-07 20:44     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 15:29   ` Steve Mynott
2020-01-08 23:31     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-07  9:43 ` ullbeking
2020-01-07 14:53   ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07 19:35   ` Rodrigo G. López
2020-01-08  5:13     ` Mark van Atten
2020-01-07 15:03 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-07 15:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-07 20:45   ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-07 21:20     ` Derek Fawcus

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20200109030853.GH16808@mcvoy.com \
    --to=lm@mcvoy.com \
    --cc=bakul@bitblocks.com \
    --cc=tuhs@tuhs.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).