From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id dc655e30 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 03:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5D5E59BCD0; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 13:09:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72619BCA9; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 13:08:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CF9F49BCA9; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 13:08:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6098A945FC for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 13:08:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id C0E6E35E0AB; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:08:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 19:08:53 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Bakul Shah Message-ID: <20200109030853.GH16808@mcvoy.com> References: <20200109012830.GC16808@mcvoy.com> <20200109020720.GG16808@mcvoy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I feel like there is an option to get nvi behaviour now but I dunno why you want that. Are you seriously advocating for less? Because objectively vim gives you more. And it is faithful to vi, it has all the buffers so you can put stuff back that way. Maybe I'm clueless or I drank the koolaid, but I love vim. It's vi but better. On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 06:59:02PM -0800, Bakul Shah wrote: > Early in vim???s life I had emailed Moolenaar asking him if he would be > willing to add an option for nvi like behavior for undo/redo. He wasn???t > interested so I lost interest. nvi???s u & . behavior is not only quite clever > but also much more intuitive and you don???t have to press the ctl key! > > > On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:12 PM, Clem Cole wrote: > > > > make a new command, don't break the old one.... maybe offer a way to map the new one over the old -- but don't make it the default. > > and my lawn was lush and green before the snow came ;-) > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:07 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 08, 2020 at 09:04:46PM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bakul Shah wrote: > > > > > > > The first thing I do on a new machine is to install nvi. Very grateful to > > > > Keith Bostic for implementing it. I do use multiple windows ??? only > > > > horizontal splits but that is good enough for me as all my terminal > > > > windows are 80 chars wide. Not a vim hater but never saw the need. > > > > > > I pretty much do the same thing. I think what I hate about vim is that it's > > > almost, vi but not the same. My fingers screw up when I use it. For > > > instance, he 'fixed' undo. > > > > Holy crap Clem, you need to embrace that. His undo goes back forever. > > And you can undo the undo and go forward forever. > > > > Not liking that puts you in the "get off my lawn" old guy camp. Which > > is fine if that's who you want to be (sometimes I'm that guy). -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm