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* Re: [TUHS] screen editors
@ 2020-01-08  7:39 Thomas Paulsen
  2020-01-08 15:58 ` Steve Nickolas
  2020-01-08 21:49 ` Dave Horsfall
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 84+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Paulsen @ 2020-01-08  7:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: arnold; +Cc: tuhs

>What's funny is that in doing the work to get 'se' running on Georgia
>Tech's Vax, I had to learn vi.  By the time I was done, vi had become
>my main editor and had burned itself into my finger's ROMs.
I do ed/se occasionally for simple tasks, vim frequently , because it loads fast, and emacs for all bigger projects, beside liteide for golang. 



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* Re: [TUHS] screen editors / machine load
@ 2020-01-10 14:35 Noel Chiappa
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 84+ messages in thread
From: Noel Chiappa @ 2020-01-10 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: jnc

    > From: Otto Moerbeek <otto@drijf.net>

    > I believe it was not only vi itself that was causing the load, it was
    > also running many terminals in raw mode that killed performance.

I'm not familiar with the tty driver in late versions of Unix like 4.1 (sic),
but I'm very familiar with the one in V6, and it's not the raw mode _itself_
that caused the load (the code paths in the kernel for cooked and raw aren't
that different), but rather the need to wake up and run a process on every
character that was the real load.

When Bernie Greenberg did EMACS for Multics, he had a similar issue. I recall
reading a document with an extensive discussion of how they dealt with this,
especially when using the system over the ARPANET. IIRC, normal printing
characters were echoed without waking up the process; remotely, when using
the network. If anyone's really interested in this, and can't find it themselves,
I can try looking for it.

	Noel


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* Re: [TUHS] screen editors / machine load
@ 2020-01-10 15:35 Noel Chiappa
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 84+ messages in thread
From: Noel Chiappa @ 2020-01-10 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: jnc

    > When Bernie Greenberg did EMACS for Multics, he had a similar issue. I
    > recall reading a document with an extensive discussion of how they dealt
    > with this ... If anyone's really interested in this, and can't find it
    > themselves, I can try looking for it.

I got a request for this; a Web search turned up:

  https://www.multicians.org/mepap.html

which covers the points I mentioned (and more besides, such as why LISP was
chosen). I don't think this is the thing I remembered (which was, IIRC, an
informal note), but it does seem to be a later version of that.

	 Noel

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2020-01-11 20:54         ` Derek Fawcus
2020-01-11 21:27         ` Henry Bent
2020-02-04  8:40         ` Sijmen J. Mulder
2020-02-04 20:14           ` [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors) G. Branden Robinson
2020-02-04 21:05             ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-04 21:52               ` Derek Fawcus
2020-02-04 23:27                 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-05  3:34                   ` Warner Losh
2020-02-05  9:49                   ` Angelo Papenhoff
2020-02-05 11:40                     ` Rob Pike
2020-02-05 11:43                       ` Brantley Coile
2020-02-05 10:58                   ` Ralph Corderoy
2020-02-05 11:45                     ` Rob Pike
2020-02-05  8:45             ` arnold
2020-02-05 13:35               ` Clem cole
2020-02-05 16:11                 ` [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas Arthur Krewat
2020-02-05 16:16                   ` Clem Cole
2020-02-05 17:05                     ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-05 17:09                       ` Clem Cole
2020-02-08  3:31                         ` Ronald Natalie
2020-02-08  4:19                           ` Rob Pike
2020-02-11  1:16                             ` George Michaelson
2020-02-11  6:38                               ` Rob Pike
2020-02-05 20:26                       ` David Arnold
2020-02-05 19:37                 ` [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors) Dave Horsfall
2020-02-05 19:57                   ` Clem Cole
2020-02-05 20:50                 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-05 21:43                   ` Clem Cole
2020-02-05 21:59                   ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-05 22:22                   ` Ed Carp
2020-02-06  2:43                     ` Dan Cross
2020-02-06  3:00                       ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-06  5:20                         ` Vincenzo Nicosia
2020-02-06 14:54                           ` Richard Salz
2020-02-06 15:10                             ` [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas Lars Brinkhoff
2020-02-06 20:14                               ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-06 20:20                                 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-06 19:55                       ` [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors) Dave Horsfall
2020-02-06 21:48                         ` Michael Parson
2020-02-06 23:56                           ` Michael Parson
2020-02-06 22:17                         ` Clem Cole
2020-02-07  0:21                         ` [TUHS] finger usage (was: pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors)) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-02-07  0:27                           ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-07  0:54                             ` [TUHS] finger usage (was: pronouncing *nix formulas Arthur Krewat
2020-02-07  1:00                               ` Richard Salz
2020-02-07  5:26                               ` Peter Jeremy
2020-02-07  4:31                             ` [TUHS] finger usage (was: pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors)) Dave Horsfall
2020-02-07  5:07                               ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-02-07  5:39                                 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-07 21:39                                   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-07 16:14                                 ` Arthur Krewat
2020-02-07 22:37                                 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-07  4:23                           ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-06  2:23                   ` [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors) Dan Cross
2020-02-06  2:31                     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-05 19:08               ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-05 21:01                 ` Nemo
2020-02-05 22:06                   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-10 13:41     ` [TUHS] screen editors / machine load Mike Markowski
2020-01-10 13:56       ` Otto Moerbeek
2020-01-10 15:00       ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-10 15:48         ` Clem Cole
2020-01-10 22:18           ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-11  0:30             ` Christopher Browne
2020-01-10 15:31     ` [TUHS] screen editors Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-10 16:04       ` Clem Cole
2020-01-10 17:10       ` Dan Cross
2020-01-10 17:18         ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-18  1:55           ` Michael Parson
2020-01-10 15:58     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-01-10 14:35 [TUHS] screen editors / machine load Noel Chiappa
2020-01-10 15:35 Noel Chiappa

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