From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b7609ff8 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 16:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B6C8F9B83C; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 02:06:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97E393D85; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 02:06:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F29EC93D85; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 02:06:22 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 471 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 02:06:21 AEST Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C22B993D07 for ; Sat, 11 Jan 2020 02:06:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from callcc.thunk.org (guestnat-104-133-0-111.corp.google.com [104.133.0.111] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 00AFwM8R007582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:58:25 -0500 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 11B134207DF; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:58:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:58:22 -0500 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: markus schnalke Message-ID: <20200110155822.GA298569@mit.edu> References: <9c507ef665851fd21ecdf0e23136dc86@firemail.de> <1ippPk-8PE-00@marmaro.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1ippPk-8PE-00@marmaro.de> Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 09:13:04AM +0100, markus schnalke wrote: > > I was quite shocked when I first realized that I had to do > `apt-get install ed' to have it available ... on a Unix-like > system. But on the other hand, who of today's users is even > capable of exiting it?! For what it's worth, I regularly edit configuration files and shell scripts using /bin/ed in environments where I can't use (due to terminal limitations) or can't fit a more sophisticated editors. These days this is typically in small appliance VM's. I've also been known to do things like this in shell scripts[1]: ed /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf < > > On my own systems I like to install Heirlomm ed, which I have > outfactored from the Heirloom tools package. If you want to > actually use it every now and then, Gunnar's ed is much more > usable than GNU ed ... which seems to be more a demonstration > object than actually a programmer's editor. > > > Anyways, I'm having a great pleasure reading those historic > spotlights on editors these days. :-) > > > meillo