From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9a25088e for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 21:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4FE089BD78; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:48:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02F89BD0F; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:47:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 755E59BD0F; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:47:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from fourwinds.com (fourwinds.com [63.64.179.162]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BA0C9BCA8 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:47:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 00CLlijO584674 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 13:47:44 -0800 Received: from darkstar.fourwinds.com (jon@localhost) by darkstar.fourwinds.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 00CLligX584670 for ; Sun, 12 Jan 2020 13:47:44 -0800 Message-Id: <202001122147.00CLligX584670@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Jon Steinhart To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society In-reply-to: <20200112214152.9824C156E42D@mail.bitblocks.com> References: <202001121343.00CDhYHK132101@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <202001122034.00CKYQ39571239@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202001122044.00CKiUNV573279@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20200112214152.9824C156E42D@mail.bitblocks.com> Comments: In-reply-to Bakul Shah message dated "Sun, 12 Jan 2020 13:41:45 -0800." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <584668.1578865664.1@darkstar.fourwinds.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 13:47:44 -0800 X-JON-SPAM: local delivery Subject: Re: [TUHS] Tech Sq elevator (Was: screen editors) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Bakul Shah writes: > On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 12:44:30 -0800 Jon Steinhart wrote: > > > > I wasn't being snarky. You said > > > > "The output is seen as truth because the representation is for some > > reason too hard to get at or too hard to cascade through the system." > > > > I honestly have no idea what that means. > > > > Likewise, > > > > "There's a total comedy of work going on in the unix way of > > a wc pipeline versus calling a length function on a list." > > > > I just don't know what you mean. > > May be this is not what Kevin meant but the way I interpreted > his message: smushing everything down to strings for output as > in unix pipelines loses any underlying structure which then > may have to be rediscovered by the next program in the > pipeline by parsing. This is slower, indirect and errorprone. > If one can communicate a structured representation of data between > components that would be better. Ah. So lines IS the structure that a lot of people want. As I just said in a post, the JSON tools are a good example of communicating structured data although I would have done them differently. Jon