From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 12b5ea0e for ; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0575C9BFF4; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 02:47:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4829B898; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 02:46:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 79A929B898; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 02:46:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mercury.lcs.mit.edu (mercury.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.122]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D27693D06 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2020 02:46:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 11178) id AA0D218C0A2; Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) To: TUHS@minnie.tuhs.org Message-Id: <20200115164647.AA0D218C0A2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Spacewar at Bell Labs [ really paper tape readers and tangentially related things ] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" > From: Clem Cole > So WD designs and builds a few LSI-11 as a sales demo of what you could > do > ... > he put it on the QBUS which DEC could not lock up because they did not > create it as WD had. Wow! WD created the QBUS? Fascinating. I wonder if DEC made any changes to the QBUS between the original demo WD boards and the first DEC ones? Are there any documents about the WD original still extant, do you know? (FWIW, it seems that whoever did the QBUS interrupt cycle had heard about the metastability issues when using a flop to do the grant-passing arbitrations; see here for more: https://gunkies.org/wiki/Bus_Arbitration_on_the_Unibus_and_QBUS#QBUS_Interrupts DEC had previously bent themselves into knots trying to solve it on the UNIBUS: https://gunkies.org/wiki/M782_Interrupt_Control#Revisions so it would be interesting to know if it was WD or DEC who did the DIN thing to get rid of it on the QBUS.) Noel