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* [TUHS] Screen editors
@ 2020-01-26 20:32 Paul Ruizendaal
  2020-01-26 23:14 ` Thomas Paulsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 116+ messages in thread
From: Paul Ruizendaal @ 2020-01-26 20:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: TUHS main list

> > On Jan 26, 2020, at 11:28 AM, arnold at skeeve.com wrote: 
> > 
> > "Jose R. Valverde via TUHS" <tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org> wrote: 
> > 
> >> Talking of editors... 
> >> 
> >> On ancient UNIX, my editor of choice was 's' from Software Tools, its 
> >> main advantage being that it didn't require curses. 
> > 
> > That editor was from "A Software Tools Sampler" by Webb Miller, not 
> > "Software Tools" by Kernighan and Plauger. 
> Well, that would explain why I couldn’t find it. Do you have softcopy of the editor source? I’d really like a screen editor for v7…. Adam

So do I.

Editor source seems to be here:
https://github.com/udo-munk/s

If you are doing a build for V7, I’d be interested in hearing the results.

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* Re: [TUHS] screen editors
@ 2020-01-09 21:46 Norman Wilson
  2020-01-09 22:10 ` Brantley Coile
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 116+ messages in thread
From: Norman Wilson @ 2020-01-09 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

Do we really need another boring old editor war?  The topic
is not specific to UNIX in the least; nor, alas, is it historic.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
(typing this in qed)

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* Re: [TUHS] screen editors
@ 2020-01-08  9:46 Rudi Blom
  2020-01-08 14:15 ` Chet Ramey
  2020-01-08 15:11 ` Nemo Nusquam
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 116+ messages in thread
From: Rudi Blom @ 2020-01-08  9:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs; +Cc: doug

>Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:57:40 -0500.
>From: Doug McIlroy <>
>To: tuhs@tuhs.org, thomas.paulsen@firemail.de
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors
>Message-ID: <202001071957.007JveQu169574@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

.. snip ..

>% wc -c /bin/vi bin/sam bin/samterm
>1706152 /bin/vi
> 112208 bin/sam
> 153624 bin/samterm
>These mumbers are from Red Hat Linux.
>The 6:1 discrepancy is understated because
>vi is stripped and the sam files are not.
>All are 64-bit, dynamically linked.

That's a real big vi in RHL. Looking at a few (commercial) unixes I get

SCO UNIX 3.2V4.2 132898 Aug 22 1996 /usr/bin/vi
 - /usr/bin/vi: iAPX 386 executable
Tru64 V5.1B-5 331552 Aug 21 2010 /usr/bin/vi
 - /usr/bin/vi: COFF format alpha dynamically linked, demand paged
sticky executable or object module stripped - version 3.13-14
HP-UX 11.31 748996 Aug 28 2009 /bin/vi
 -- /bin/vi: ELF-32 executable object file - IA64

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* Re: [TUHS] screen editors
@ 2020-01-08  7:39 Thomas Paulsen
  2020-01-08 15:58 ` Steve Nickolas
  2020-01-08 21:49 ` Dave Horsfall
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 116+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Paulsen @ 2020-01-08  7:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: arnold; +Cc: tuhs

>What's funny is that in doing the work to get 'se' running on Georgia
>Tech's Vax, I had to learn vi.  By the time I was done, vi had become
>my main editor and had burned itself into my finger's ROMs.
I do ed/se occasionally for simple tasks, vim frequently , because it loads fast, and emacs for all bigger projects, beside liteide for golang. 



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* Re: [TUHS] screen editors
@ 2020-01-07 19:57 Doug McIlroy
  2020-01-07 20:17 ` Brantley Coile
  2020-01-07 20:47 ` Bakul Shah
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 116+ messages in thread
From: Doug McIlroy @ 2020-01-07 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs, thomas.paulsen

McIlroy:
> [vi] was so excesssive right from the start that I refused to use it.
> Sam was the first screen editor that I deemed worthwhile, and I
> still use it today.

Paulsen:
> my sam build is more than 2 times bigger than Gunnar Ritter's vi
> (or Steve Kirkendall's elvis) and even bigger than Bram Moolenaar's vim.

% wc -c /bin/vi bin/sam bin/samterm
1706152 /bin/vi
 112208 bin/sam
 153624 bin/samterm
These mumbers are from Red Hat Linux.
The 6:1 discrepancy is understated because
vi is stripped and the sam files are not.
All are 64-bit, dynamically linked.

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* [TUHS] screen editors
@ 2020-01-07  2:31 Doug McIlroy
  2020-01-07  2:37 ` Brantley Coile
                   ` (5 more replies)
  0 siblings, 6 replies; 116+ messages in thread
From: Doug McIlroy @ 2020-01-07  2:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tuhs

> but…damn, even ex/vi 3.x is huge

It was so excesssive right from the start that I refused to use it.
Sam was the first screen editor that I deemed worthwhile, and I
still use it today.

Doug

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2020-01-20 14:59 ` [TUHS] Screen editors Jose R. Valverde via TUHS
2020-01-20 16:07   ` Toby Thain
2020-01-20 16:20     ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-31 18:21       ` Jose R. Valverde via TUHS
2020-01-29 22:24     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-29 22:33       ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-07 23:05         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-07 23:54           ` Richard Salz
2020-02-08  3:11             ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-08  3:38               ` Ronald Natalie
2020-02-08  0:05           ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-29 23:00       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-26 18:28   ` arnold
2020-01-26 18:33     ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-26 18:36       ` arnold
2020-01-26 18:40       ` arnold
2020-01-26 19:11         ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-26 19:40     ` Jon Forrest
2020-01-26 20:08     ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-26 20:32 Paul Ruizendaal
2020-01-26 23:14 ` Thomas Paulsen
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2020-01-09 21:46 [TUHS] screen editors Norman Wilson
2020-01-09 22:10 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-08  9:46 Rudi Blom
2020-01-08 14:15 ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-08 15:15   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-08 15:42     ` Steve Mynott
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2020-01-08 20:56       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-08 23:21   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-09  0:08     ` Warner Losh
2020-01-09  1:28       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  1:40         ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  2:04           ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09  2:07             ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  2:12               ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09  2:59                 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:08                   ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  3:43                     ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:27                 ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-09  3:34                   ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09  3:49                   ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  3:55                     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-09  5:27                       ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09  4:23                 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 15:54                   ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09 17:21                     ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 17:30                       ` Warner Losh
2020-01-09 17:56                       ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-18  2:11                         ` Michael Parson
2020-01-09 18:53                       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09 19:01                         ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 19:02                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-09 19:19                       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-09 20:20                     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-18  2:06                   ` Michael Parson
2020-01-18  3:13                     ` Clem Cole
2020-01-18  3:44                       ` Kurt H Maier
2020-01-18 15:37                       ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-18 22:11                         ` markus schnalke
2020-01-09  2:14         ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-01-09  2:48           ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-09  9:05       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-08 15:11 ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-08 15:37   ` Henry Bent
2020-01-18 14:22   ` Michael Parson
2020-01-08  7:39 Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-08 15:58 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-08 23:41   ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-09  1:43     ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-08 21:49 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 22:01   ` Clem Cole
2020-01-17 23:38     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-18  0:07       ` Ryan Casalino
2020-01-18 23:02       ` greg travis
2020-01-10  8:13   ` markus schnalke
2020-01-10  8:17     ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2020-01-11 19:58       ` markus schnalke
2020-01-11 20:54         ` Derek Fawcus
2020-01-11 21:27         ` Henry Bent
2020-02-04  8:40         ` Sijmen J. Mulder
2020-01-10 15:31     ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-10 16:04       ` Clem Cole
2020-01-10 17:10       ` Dan Cross
2020-01-10 17:18         ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-18  1:55           ` Michael Parson
2020-01-10 15:58     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-01-07 19:57 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-07 20:17 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-07 20:47 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-07  2:31 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-07  2:37 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-07  2:38 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-07 16:30   ` arnold
2020-01-07 16:38     ` Richard Salz
2020-01-07 18:32     ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07 19:14     ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-09  5:01       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-01-10  8:16         ` ricercar
2020-01-08  0:10     ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-17 22:06       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 18:30     ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-08 21:41       ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-09  8:30       ` arnold
2020-01-07  6:19 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-07  8:24   ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-07 20:44     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 15:29   ` Steve Mynott
2020-01-08 23:31     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-07  9:43 ` ullbeking
2020-01-07 14:53   ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07 19:35   ` Rodrigo G. López
2020-01-08  5:13     ` Mark van Atten
2020-01-07 15:03 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-07 15:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-07 20:45   ` Chet Ramey
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