From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 54515837 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 03:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 916619CC0D; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 13:55:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8742A9CB86; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 13:55:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BA5909CB86; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 13:54:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 495949CB15 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 13:54:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id AB68335E104; Wed, 5 Feb 2020 19:54:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 19:54:57 -0800 From: Larry McVoy To: Michael Parson Message-ID: <20200206035457.GF21264@mcvoy.com> References: <3C26A155-81B4-4341-A422-3AD0346DEC09@eschatologist.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] Atari System V media and books? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 09:44:02PM -0600, Michael Parson wrote: > On Wed, 5 Feb 2020, Chris Hanson wrote: > >On Jan 18, 2020, at 3:19 PM, Michael Parson wrote: > > > >>Speaking of old versions of Motif, are the sources for the > >>pre-OpenMotif bits available anywhere? Even if under lock and key > >>for now, I'd be happy knowing they'd been preserved for potential > >>future availability. > > > >There are Motif 1.1 sources on Bitsavers (or your favorite mirror) > >at >>. > > Thank you! Part of me is wondering why anyone cares about Motif. My memory of that is that Xview was better and the Athena widgets were better. Athena was ugly but it worked, Xview, the X11 version of Sunview, was fantastic to program in, the argv was a set of 2 tuples, thing and value. And it looked better. I've written Xview apps and other than the Tk part of Tcl/Tk, it was the most pleasant GUI API I have used. For the record, the Tk part of Tcl/Tk is still, decades later, the best GUI interface I've ever seen. John got that right. So no offense intended, what about Motif is likeable?