From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7fc30e1e for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 18:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3DDAA9CCBC; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 04:06:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBD89CCA4; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 04:05:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4D0629CCA4; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 04:05:54 +1000 (AEST) X-Greylist: delayed 428 seconds by postgrey-1.36 at minnie.tuhs.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 04:05:53 AEST Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net [194.109.24.25]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 797629CCA3 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 04:05:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail.ancienthardware.org ([82.161.94.42]) by smtp-cloud8.xs4all.net with ESMTPA id zlQGimByzn7E5zlQHiPsEd; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:58:43 +0100 Received: from arno by mail.ancienthardware.org with local (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1izlQG-00029J-5G; Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:58:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 18:58:40 +0100 From: Arno Griffioen To: Michael Parson Message-ID: <20200206175840.GH15253@ancienthardware.org> References: <3C26A155-81B4-4341-A422-3AD0346DEC09@eschatologist.net> <20200206035457.GF21264@mcvoy.com> <9d8ccfd6e3b34a4a586e4947e861551f@bl.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9d8ccfd6e3b34a4a586e4947e861551f@bl.org> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFYxHGVhC3Wl24gibY/yNUcL2YnuCQyBCokqvh+9ig/MZqtK1hlswkOArkNqQFHzKXavilJdLxHB4TS37VyQ9R+6NLwkmXVCw5aU5Y3LKyaCAy5lPCLZ e9YBJDfpz5nzK1UmPN50i+kL9oS1QhD8q0XeeUXIi6iXBDBMVGaP5j995OFsgH/ddRIxj9fUtUzHOgtvA/5n9fs0r2RFkENOceUP6Iy9hzUzlJnhPiNwyZmA RfhjP73cZZ7Jvy1SOKr9bQ== Subject: Re: [TUHS] Atari System V media and books? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 09:50:39AM -0600, Michael Parson wrote: > No offense taken. It's not so much that it's "likeable", at least, any > more than playing with any old software is "likeable". It only crossed > my radar because someone mentioned that it was available for Atari UNIX > (ASV), would those bits be able to be used on Amiga UNIX (AMIX)? I was Just nitpicking a little :) I know Amiga UNIX is often referred to as AMIX, but 'in the day' there was an actual 'AMIX' which was an CBM in-house only port of SVR3.2 to 'A2500UX' labeled machines. (basically 68020+MMU equipped boxes) These ran the internal email and file distribution network, but was never publicly released. Quite noticeable as it boots into an ASCII console with a bright orange background. Same background that some of the 68020/030 cards boot ROMs show when choosing the 'boot UNIX' option. Worked on that old platform for some time.. Part of my projects was to migrate some of the tools to the 'next version' which was.. The actual product sold as 'Amiga UNIX'. (not 'AMIX' ;) ) This was the SVR4 port in a V1 and V2 version with the latter getting a bunch of updates to streamline it on the platform. V1 was really only sold/used to launch-customers while V2 was more publicly available. (V1 was trivial to hack around the '1 user' base license with a little 'od' and binary patching ;) ) Interesting issue at the time was that, according to the internal grapevine at CBM at the time, the Amiga UNIX SVR4 was not m68k ABI compliant, so it could not run pre-packaged m68k-svr4 software that did use this interface. Reason was rumoured to be that CBM (in ther never-ending efforts to do things 'cheap') got the cheapest source license they could get for SVR4 which AFAIK was for the 3B2 or similar AT&T platform and they did not get an actual m68k source and license. Never got that really verified, but I do know that at the time the lack of support for the m68k ABI was a big hurdle for acceptance. > but it requires setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to load the ASV X11 libs, so, I > thought, if I could get my hands on the source, I could compile it against > the AMIX supplied libs, then maybe try and get Mosaic compiled as well. The SVR4 Amiga UNIX used CDE and all bits for the X11 environment, so the binaries should all be there. No sources were available to people outside the CBM UNIX group at the headquarters at the time, but perhaps they got out onto the net when it all went down. The UNIX group inside CBM got disbanded way before they went totally out of business, so it may have well gone into the shredder at some point. Quitting the CBM-UNIX group was done very crudely I might add with some of the guys from the US being over in europe when they got told that they were fired and their company creditcards got blocked at the same time.. classy... Bye, Arno.