From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id cad6b25a for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 17:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D43289BCED; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 03:05:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B209BCE3; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 03:05:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 01BAA9BCE3; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 03:05:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 227229BCDE for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 03:05:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: by sdaoden.eu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CA5B716054; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:05:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:05:01 +0100 From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Rob Pike Message-ID: <20200211170501.0N1Pu%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: References: <202002101546.01AFkOSc001266@freefriends.org> <202002110933.01B9XqQX004159@freefriends.org> Mail-Followup-To: Rob Pike , arnold@skeeve.com, The Eunuchs Hysterical Society User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.17-43-g63b6e03a OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] V9 shell [was Re: Warner's Early Unix Presentation] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Rob Pike wrote in : |My general mood about the current standard way of nerd working is how \ |unimaginative and old-fashioned it feels. There are countless ways \ |we could be interacting with our terminals, editors, and shells=20 |while we program, but for various sociological and historical reasons \ |we're pretty much using one from decades ago. I'm sure it's productive \ |for almost everyone, but it seems dull to me. We could be=20 |doing something much more dynamic. I mean, xterm is hardly more sophisti\ |cated than the lame terminal code that ran in mpx (ca. 1982), other \ |than colors and cursor addressing, which date from the 1960s=20 |via early PCs. IDEs don't sing to me, although they are powerful, because= \ |they don't integrate well with the environment, only with the language. \ |And they are just lots of features, not a coherent=20 |vision. No model to speak of. | |Compare what happened with our shell windows with what happened with \ |our "smart" phones in the last 20 years and you'll get some inkling \ |of what I think we're missing. It's not that we should program the=20 |way we use iPhones, but that there are fields where user interface \ |work has made a real different recently. Not so in programming, though. \ |We're missing out. I cannot imagine any other real step forward but control-by- thought, aka brain computer interfaces. (I personally am even convinced we will get the brain implant -- ever since i got all those B and C Hollywood movies from the 50s wrong, back when i was a kid. It is convincing still, automatic emergency calls, health record and cases of incompatibility at hand when needed, and not to talk about the hints it will give the law enforcement side of the road.) Just last year i have seen a report on the current stage of affairs, Carnegie-Mellon and Minnesota Universities seem to have build a non-invasively controlled robotic arm, pretty high precision. "Wir haben erhebliche Fortschritte im Bereich Robotervorrichtungen mit Gedankensteuerung =C3=BCber Gehirnimplantate gemacht. We have made substantial progress in the region of thought-controlled robotic devices via implants. Das ist hervorragende Forschungsarbeit", sagt He. "That is superb research work", says He [Professor Bin He, Carnegie-Mellon]. "Nichtinvasiv ist jedoch unser ultimatives Ziel. Fortschritte in der neuronalen Dekodierung und der praktischen Auswirkungen auf die m=C3=B6gliche Entwicklung nichtinvasiver Nutzbarkeit nichtinvasiver Roboterarmsteuerung werden erhebliche Neurorobotik haben." "Albeit non-invasive is our ultimate goal. Progress in neuronal decoding, and the practical usability of non-invasive control of robotic arms will have substantial effect on the possible development of non-invasive neuro-robotics." |But I'm a grumpy old man and getting far off topic. Warren should cry, \ |"enough!". I personally would love it, if it where only in the hands of empathic beings, capable of reflection. Yet it is us. ^_^ --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)