From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9795d107 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9C5C09CD90; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 04:23:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4FF9CD75; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 04:22:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6D99B9CD72; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 04:22:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from wopr.sciops.net (wopr.sciops.net [216.126.196.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1A9F9CD72 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2020 04:22:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: (qmail 10560 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Feb 2020 10:22:38 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 10:22:38 -0800 From: Kurt H Maier To: tuhs@tuhs.org Message-ID: <20200211182238.GA5008@wopr> References: <202002101546.01AFkOSc001266@freefriends.org> <202002110933.01B9XqQX004159@freefriends.org> <20200211170501.0N1Pu%steffen@sdaoden.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200211170501.0N1Pu%steffen@sdaoden.eu> Subject: Re: [TUHS] V9 shell [was Re: Warner's Early Unix Presentation] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 06:05:01PM +0100, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > > I cannot imagine any other real step forward but control-by- > thought, aka brain computer interfaces. I can't even trust computers to do the right thing with input specially crafted for the program I'm using. There is no way in hell I'm turning it loose on a direct neural interface. Software engineering, as a discipline, is going to require a lot more actual discipline before neural interfaces become anything but fuel for a dystopian hellscape. I'm not saying we can't get there. I'm saying we're not headed in that direction so far. khm