From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 814ca87a for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 16:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 186DB9D541; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 02:41:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812589D518; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 02:40:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 86FA79D518; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 02:40:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C853C9CD7A for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 02:40:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from callcc.thunk.org (guestnat-104-133-8-109.corp.google.com [104.133.8.109] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 01IGeV95007876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 18 Feb 2020 11:40:35 -0500 Received: by callcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id 35E5A4211EF; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 11:40:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 11:40:31 -0500 From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" To: Steve Nickolas Message-ID: <20200218164031.GA147128@mit.edu> References: <202002171520.01HFKqKi026749@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <4d252035b323b7583c5760c952d1982c@firemail.de> <202002171839.01HId8FT1358073@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202002180017.01I0HI0I1415945@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202002181528.01IFSogM030831@freefriends.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TUHS] man Macro Package and pdfmark X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:43:06AM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote: > On Tue, 18 Feb 2020, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > I don't like your use of "open source"; it is way out of skew with > > how it's used today. > > Wasn't it always *intended* to mean the same thing as "Free Software" ? No, although the differences in practice are small. "Free Software" was defined by Stallman as meeting his "Four Freedoms". Open Source(tm) was derived from the Debian Free Software Guidelines, and while the set of licenses which meet the "Free Software" definition and those that meet the "Open Source(tm) definition mostly identical, there are a few exceptions. I refer folks to the Wikipedia entry for more details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition It is true that the most of the people who use Open Source instead of Free Software are doing so mostly for branding reasons (e.g., Open Source is considered less likely to scare the suits), but technically they aren't the same. And it is certainly true that way AT&T distributed ditroff certainly isn't compliant with the Open Source Definition (OSD). Whether or not it meets Clem's "open source" (small o, small s), depends on his definition, which appears to be, "functionally, since everyone back then had an AT&T source license, we're all good". - Ted