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From: Derek Fawcus <dfawcus+lists-tuhs@employees.org>
To: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] sockets (was Re:  First appearance of named pipes)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 16:13:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200308151332.GA70333@clarinet.employees.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKzdPgyQE6idAQNJ4sarjOUL8nvAF7m9BgY6NCjep6_wZMpjzQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 08, 2020 at 01:36:14PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote:
> Always bemused me that to get a named local I/O connection one ended
> up with "Unix domain (what does that even mean?) sockets" rather than
> named pipes,

Yeah - I always found that a bit weird, having to use socketpair()
to get a bidirectional "pipe".

> I've been told, but haven't confirmed, that
> early sockets didn't even support read and write. They still don't
> support open and close, and never will.

Err - granted on the open; but if my memory serves, close() has been
supported on them ever since I started using them ('87).  Otherwise
the normal fork/dup/close/exec pattern for child processes would not
work.

Now what would have been useful is a way to have distinct fd's for
the local read and write end of (e.g.) a TCP socket - such that one
direction could be closed w/o closing the other.  Or maybe some
fcntl() to dup the bidirectional fd in to a pair of unidirectional
fds.  That way one could dispense with shutdown for closing one
direction, making children and fd passed programs socket agnostic.

DF

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-08 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-06 22:44 [TUHS] First appearance of named pipes Noel Chiappa
2020-03-07 12:17 ` Paul Ruizendaal
2020-03-07 13:29   ` Clem Cole
2020-03-07 16:39   ` Derek Fawcus
2020-03-08  2:36     ` Rob Pike
2020-03-08  2:47       ` Larry McVoy
2020-03-08 13:07         ` Ralph Corderoy
2020-03-08 13:25           ` arnold
2020-03-08  3:06       ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-08  7:16       ` arnold
2020-03-08 15:13       ` Derek Fawcus [this message]
2020-03-09 23:22         ` [TUHS] sockets (was Re: First appearance of named pipes) Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-03-09 23:44           ` Larry McVoy
2020-03-23  8:49           ` Peter Pentchev
2020-03-24  9:47             ` Derek Fawcus
2020-03-25 23:25               ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-03-25 23:47                 ` Richard Salz
2020-03-26  0:11                   ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-03-26  0:18                     ` Richard Salz
2020-03-26  1:08                       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-03-26  2:38                         ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-26  3:08                           ` Rob Pike
2020-03-26  3:43                             ` George Michaelson
2020-03-26  4:11                           ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-03-28 11:12                           ` Peter Pentchev
2020-03-28 11:14                             ` Peter Pentchev
2020-03-28 16:03                               ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-03-26  1:20                       ` Tony Finch
2020-03-27 10:51                   ` Derek Fawcus
2020-03-09 23:22 ` [TUHS] First appearance of named pipes Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-03-10  7:29   ` arnold
2020-03-11  2:47     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-03-11  7:02       ` arnold
2020-03-10 13:49   ` Chet Ramey
2020-03-10 20:26     ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-10 20:37       ` Chet Ramey
2020-03-11  2:51       ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-03-08 23:09 [TUHS] sockets (was Re: First appearance of named pipes) Norman Wilson
2020-03-09 17:09 ` Tony Finch

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