From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RDNS_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 8071 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2020 22:15:18 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from unknown (HELO minnie.tuhs.org) (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2020 22:15:18 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 67C289D74F; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:15:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6F79D734; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:14:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2EA859D734; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:14:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mcvoy.com (mcvoy.com [192.169.23.250]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BEC09D732 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:14:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mcvoy.com (Postfix, from userid 3546) id 1E8EB35E0B6; Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:14:53 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Rob Pike Message-ID: <20200315221453.GG26660@mcvoy.com> References: <202003132331.02DNVaxN061501@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <0538034f-98cb-1063-b94d-e7b77b548d6d@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Subject: Re: [TUHS] The most surprising Unix programs X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 09:01:46AM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > Ha! Someone on hacker news, that fount of profundity, posted the C > code for typo and said that it would be a simple matter to update to > modern Unix. I used to hang out on hacker news, it was one of the few technical places left. I left after noticing the guys who run it were protecting a wack job who every single time something negative was posted about Round Up, he came up with all sorts of nonsense to defend Monsanto. Clearly a paid schill. My dad died at 75 from non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, he wasn't a drinker, wasn't a smoker, swam multiple times a week, no history of cancer in the family. He was convinced that it was Round Up that did him in, he was a Physics prof but he sort of spanned disciplines, he taught in the biology department, ecology, he was all over the place. I'd post my story, the schill would shit all over me, I'd complain to the powers that be, people who knew me would push back on him, I'm one of the few systems people hanging out there. It got to be too much, I haven't been on hacker news for several years. Even when I was there, the stuff that passed for hacker info was largely pathetic. The one exception I remember was the Netflix write up of how they filled two 100Gbit/sec ethernet pipes with 200,000 TCP connections. That was extremely impressive, I've worked on problems like that and I can assure you that it is trivial to fill those pipes with 2 connections, it's extremely hard to do so with 200,000. And they were coming off SSD, up to user space, encrypt in user space, then send it back down to the kernel out the pipes. Super, super impressive but that's the one really interesting thing I've seen there in 20 years.