From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 30436 invoked from network); 3 May 2020 07:14:51 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 May 2020 07:14:51 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 147289C9B8; Sun, 3 May 2020 17:14:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251479B934; Sun, 3 May 2020 17:14:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7CEEA9B962; Sun, 3 May 2020 17:14:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7C579B962 for ; Sun, 3 May 2020 17:14:23 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 0437E4r3002087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 3 May 2020 01:14:05 -0600 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 0437E2xv002086; Sun, 3 May 2020 01:14:02 -0600 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <202005030714.0437E2xv002086@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 01:14:02 -0600 To: norman@oclsc.org, lm@mcvoy.com References: <20200503022104.181B54422F@lignose.oclsc.org> <20200503024116.GE9534@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20200503024116.GE9534@mcvoy.com> User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] SDB debugger X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Larry McVoy wrote: > I really don't know how systems people do it these days, it is a > much more complex world. > > ... these days, I have no idea how I'd make a difference. By doing something besides systems. There are tons of open source projects at the user level that make a difference. Consider something like AsciiDoc. Less than 10 years old (methinks), and in use for production by at least one major technical publisher that I know of. (And it sure beats the pants off of DocBook XML.) Or the work I do on gawk, Chet on Bash, other GNU bits. There's a whole world out there besides just the kernel. Arnold