From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7449 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2020 05:14:54 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Jun 2020 05:14:54 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D4CBE945AD; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:14:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2699459A; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:14:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E94AB9459A; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:14:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5495894599 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:14:05 +1000 (AEST) X-Envelope-From: arnold@skeeve.com Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 05O5E2TC008731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:14:02 -0600 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 05O5E1u9008730; Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:14:01 -0600 From: arnold@skeeve.com Message-Id: <202006240514.05O5E1u9008730@freefriends.org> X-Authentication-Warning: frenzy.freefriends.org: arnold set sender to arnold@skeeve.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:14:01 -0600 To: robpike@gmail.com, clemc@ccc.com References: <4FC7FA55-5035-41A2-B52F-AE26DC8BED2C@planet.nl> <20200623140124.GR22291@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Heirloom mailx 12.5 7/5/10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TUHS] VFS prior to 1984 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org, pnr@planet.nl Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Rob Pike wrote: > For my taste, the various Unix file system switches that I've seen are too > firmly tied to the idea of blocks and disks and all that, making them less > flexible than they should have been. That's why the Plan 9 version is about > names and byte streams, to make it as general as possible. > > That's one of the reasons the possibilities of the file system approach to > data has not reached its potential in Unix. > > -rob Well, it's a progression, isn't it? As ideas are tried out, they are used and then refined, and used and refined further. Multics did that for its predecessors, Unix did that for Multics, and Plan 9 did that for Unix. The key difference in Unix and Plan 9 from others being the continual goal towards refinement through simplification. Arnold